You read the reason in the 5.0 magazine article why it wasn't chosen but can be implemented later, correct?

 

Less rotating mass with the SOHC's.

 

Everything in moderation. I don't think I'd go with a 200 shot.

All NO2 does is add oxygen to the combustion process. Add fuel, NO2, keep the A/F reasonable and have at it. My experience is from the old days, long before wide band A/F sensors and spray controllers. I'm sure that some electronic gadget can take the timing and A/F guess work out of the equation.

 

I was talking to someone locally here who is testing a 5.0L and mentioned that the crate engine price might fall in the $7500 range. If that proves to be true, it would be a heck of an engine for the money.

As mentioned elsewhere, other Ford Racing crate engines more "exotic" don't cost $15,000. If they were anywhere near that price, you would not have a $1500-$1800 increase in MSRP for the 2011 GTs.

 

I just wanted to make sure I got my facts straight, so I read the whole 20 page article again and it clearly states that the 11:1 CR makes it unfriendly to forced induction. There's potential for NA, which is always the most expensive way to go...

 

But the article also says it was designed for supercharging as well. I read that as you can use forced induction but to a LIMIT that might be more conservative than one would have used in the 4.6L (i.e., less boost pressure).

 

Interesting... isn't supercharging force induction?

11:1 CR = unfriendly to forced induction, no matter how you slice it. 3-5 pounds of boost on the 5.0 will give you the same hp as 8-10 with the 4.6 (that's what I meant when I said that shelby has already showed us what the 5.0 can do with a supercharger). I don't know that I would call that potential for an engine.

 

Sure, it's potential - it's just how you value the cost to make that power level. In my opinion, I would be waiting until the 2011 Shelby GT350 was finished with its final power level to see what will be safe on the 5.0L. We need more real-world applications to see what happens.

The article read a little like "yeah, we built for more power, but there are limits and if you experiment now, good luck to you." The piston cooling by oil squirters will help the cause, but again, there's alot we still don't know about tuning a car with the variable valve control technology and whatever boost level from supercharging (turbocharging for those who might be brave enough to try that) one might use.

 

Why not look at it in terms of: in order to get to that power level with the 4.6 3v, you need 8-10 psi? The 5.0 is going to use the psi much, much, much better than the 4.6 engines. Doesn't mean I'd want to put one in my '08, but still.

And the Shelby isn't out yet, therefore that aren't any facts available to get straight. I'd wait to see what tuners besides Shelby do with the engine before saying what's impossible.

 

Hey, look! A more appropriate thread for discussing Coyotes. F/I friendly or fuzzy growlers? You decide.

 

Hmm I would swap and forge before that. I already have my power adder...so a beef up would be my next step.

 

Smarter would be to rebuild 3v and throw 24 PSI at it and call it a day. FAR cheaper than retrofiting a 5.0.

 

Yeah, that definitely seems to be the consensus on cheapest power, but you know there are some people who enjoy the challenge of... ahem unique projects.

 

Couldn't have said it better. Stroke it to a 302 and put a 5.0 badge...

 

This

 

Kinda my plans.

 

This might be apples to oranges, but my 2.0L DOHC I4 VVT GM LNF has 9.2:1 CR and runs 20 psi boost stock, and up to around 25-30 PSI with a tune and new TMAP sensors (turbocharged, gasoline, direct injected).

 

If a REAL cheap 5.0 comes along I would grab it, but with the money for a new one + install I would rather throw a turbo on my car and beef up the 4.6 and get to keep the 05-09 good looks

 

I recalled the 03-04 Cobra Terminator engines costing a pretty penny, along with anything "SVT" or related to the Ford GT.

 

Correct - those were hand-assembled on a niche manufacturing line at Romeo, along with having the added cost of the supercharger assembly. The new 5.0L engines obviously don't have the blower and do I believe the line at Essex has more automated processes.