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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 06:08 AM
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5.0L Coyote Retrofit in 2005-2009

Saw this today on fordracing.com. from a question and answer forum between Ford employees and Jamie Allison, director Ford North America Motorsports:

Will the new 5.0L engine be sold as a Ford Racing part to install in ‘05 to ‘09 Mustangs?
”Absolutely, 5.0 is the holy grail for all Mustang enthusiasts. So, yes, we plan to offer the new 412HP 5.0L through our catalog and we have plans to develop an install kit across various platforms [Mustang installs, racing, hotrods/streetrods, etc.].
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 07:20 AM
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Seems like a good idea, but if retrofitting an engine I'd be more inclined to go right for a GT500 5.4
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 08:00 AM
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Gonna be big bucks ... you need engine, tranny, harness, ECM, exhaust ...
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 08:08 AM
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But still perfect exterior, perfect engine... at least maybe we can grab a totaled '11+ and swap the 5.0 in
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 08:25 AM
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That is awesome! I'd rather drop in a 5.0 than go out and buy a new Mustang! Not in the near future, but 3 years down the road? What, $15 - $20K installed? Still cheaper than a a new car. I'm in.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 09:44 AM
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Thats pretty cool but if i'm payn 20k^^ for a new engine i'm getting a new car! To each their own...
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 09:47 AM
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That would be cool but very expensive... I guess I would just slap an SC on and call it done... Does anyone know how much this would cost in parts and labor? is 15k - 20k correct? I would be interested if it was in the 10k range...
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 09:57 AM
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In terms of cost, etc. probably the way to go would be to get the 5.0 and tranny from a donor car, plus the FRPP retrofit kit/ecu.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 10:12 AM
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Thats pretty cool but if i'm payn 20k^^ for a new engine i'm getting a new car! To each their own...

What he said. That would be an expensive mod for 100hp.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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What some people will do to get a 5.0 without that horrific 10/11 *** end!
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 10:43 AM
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What he said. That would be an expensive mod for 100hp.
But power potential is much greater, IMO it would be a good upgrade for somebody whose grenaded a 3v.

Anyways, is the bellhousing bolt pattern different on the 5.0? If not and the oilot on the crank is the same then I dont see why the 5.0 wouldn't bolt up to the M5 in the S-197a and b?
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 10:44 AM
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I'm in Canada and a loaded GT convertible is now $50 000 + . For the better milage and performance, this is way cheaper than a new convertible. Besides, I like the look of mine better (except my cheap hasbro designed interior)
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by bob
But power potential is much greater, IMO it would be a good upgrade for somebody whose grenaded a 3v.

Anyways, is the bellhousing bolt pattern different on the 5.0? If not and the oilot on the crank is the same then I dont see why the 5.0 wouldn't bolt up to the M5 in the S-197a and b?
Very true Bob... Buttttttt depending on price, holy smokes I could have more than enuff for 10k. I guess it would depend on what your intentions were. I wouldnt buy one without having the new car w it.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 11:50 AM
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prob gonna be atleast 10K for the engine alone, 6spd another 2500, install kit with ecm and harness etc prob another 2500
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 01:22 PM
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If ford could make the kit installed $10k and offer loans though ford credit they would have a cash cow.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 01:34 PM
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I know the engine yes is a better platform, but building our engines and going FI would be way easier. I don't think that engine is going to be extremely more economical than our engines. So why would you rather spend 10+k on a new engine rather than building and FI your current 3v?
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 02:09 PM
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For 10-20k you can build one hell of a stroker and add whatever forced induction you want. Swapping is stupid.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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You can out run a GT500 by a car length or 2 for 20k in mods!! Not just the engine too. You can go brakes, handling, revamped interior, rims, tires, so much.

why settle on an extra 112 crank hp? and nothing else for 15k.
That's crazy talk
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 2010MustangGT
You can out run a GT500 by a car length or 2 for 20k in mods!! Not just the engine too. You can go brakes, handling, revamped interior, rims, tires, so much.

why settle on an extra 112 crank hp? and nothing else for 15k.
That's crazy talk
Well I'd say if your gonna save up 20k to mod your car, why not trade in the GT and in conjunction with 20k get a GT500. If the GT is well kept and you can get 10 or 12 grand on it combined with the 20k you can have a used 2007-2009 GT500 with no payments.

Although people are tossing prices around, nobody knows what a 5.0 kit price will be, nevermind when people start wrecking the things and they end up in the boneyard.
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Old Mar 26, 2010 | 02:23 PM
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Yeah that is a lotta dough! And besides, you can prolly fix the 10/11 rear end for under a grand.
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