2008 Mustang News!
Closet American
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Originally posted by Rampant@November 9, 2005, 1:08 PM
It will be interesting to see how the horesepower wars shake out. I personally think they won't last all that long. With high gas prices (note the SUV sales) and low volume sales (note GTO) and stiff foreign competition, I am not sure if the "just put more power in it" answer is going to be good long-term.
It will be interesting to see how the horesepower wars shake out. I personally think they won't last all that long. With high gas prices (note the SUV sales) and low volume sales (note GTO) and stiff foreign competition, I am not sure if the "just put more power in it" answer is going to be good long-term.
You do have to wonder how long it can last if gas keeps going up.
Thing of it is, there's no shortage of oil for the next several decades, but it's disgusting how the big oil companies enjoy record profits while middle class working folks get stiffed at the pump.
I think the long term problem is what fossil fuel is doing to the environment. Even if you remain unconvinced that fossil fuels are contributing to global warming, even if it's only a POSSIBLITY, given the possible repercussions, shouldn't that be enough of an incentive to move to alternative energy? I mean, it's pretty much a proven fact that breathing LA air is isn't good for you...and a proven fact as to why.
We'll have to get off it eventually.
Closet American
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Originally posted by Rampant@November 10, 2005, 4:12 PM
I would disagree as I don't think that is a smart move. Ford is not doing well right now and they need to turn things around. Holding your cards isn't the best way to do it.
Also, if you hold your best stuff now, by time you release it, it will be passe. Look at Ford 3.5L V6. Sounds like a good engine, right?
But how long has Nissan's VQ35 been out? How much profit have they already gotten from that (by putting it in virtually everything they sell and getting low price per unit numbers, etc.)? How close are they to the next, even better generation?
As I see it, holding the "good stuff" for future models is playing catch up. And that is no way to get ahead in the auto industry.
I would disagree as I don't think that is a smart move. Ford is not doing well right now and they need to turn things around. Holding your cards isn't the best way to do it.
Also, if you hold your best stuff now, by time you release it, it will be passe. Look at Ford 3.5L V6. Sounds like a good engine, right?
But how long has Nissan's VQ35 been out? How much profit have they already gotten from that (by putting it in virtually everything they sell and getting low price per unit numbers, etc.)? How close are they to the next, even better generation?
As I see it, holding the "good stuff" for future models is playing catch up. And that is no way to get ahead in the auto industry.
Problem is, the American automakers got so far behind, and still face fundamental problems in the way in which they build cars, that it is unlikely they will ever catch up again. It's exactly the same thing that happened to our North American home electronics industry in the '60s. Guess who thoroughly dominates that industry now?
Kind of makes you wonder who REALLY won WWII, doesn't it?
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The horsepower gains have been tied to improvements in fuel economy, not reductions. The fuel economy of the current Mustang is better that the '04. Also look at the '06 Explorer versus the '05 Aviator.
Another factor that is just as important is emissions. The 3V has better emissions than the 4V.
For these two reasons, I cannot see Ford going back to 4V technology.
So with technology improvements and tighter Federal requirements, we will see more horsepower in an effort to get better fuel economy and better emissions, or not at all.
And you know how "not at all" would be accepted in the marketplace.
Another factor that is just as important is emissions. The 3V has better emissions than the 4V.
For these two reasons, I cannot see Ford going back to 4V technology.
So with technology improvements and tighter Federal requirements, we will see more horsepower in an effort to get better fuel economy and better emissions, or not at all.
And you know how "not at all" would be accepted in the marketplace.
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Originally posted by mstang@November 21, 2005, 1:11 PM
Another factor that is just as important is emissions. The 3V has better emissions than the 4V.
For these two reasons, I cannot see Ford going back to 4V technology.
So with technology improvements and tighter Federal requirements, we will see more horsepower in an effort to get better fuel economy and better emissions, or not at all.
Another factor that is just as important is emissions. The 3V has better emissions than the 4V.
For these two reasons, I cannot see Ford going back to 4V technology.
So with technology improvements and tighter Federal requirements, we will see more horsepower in an effort to get better fuel economy and better emissions, or not at all.
With a SOHC engine like the 4.6L, 3V the same cam runs both the intake and exhaust valves. This means that when you vary the cam timing you are changing both the intake and exhaust timing together.
With DOHC engines that have separate cams for both the intake and exhaust valves you can independently vary the intake and exhaust valve timing. This allows you to vary the intake and exhaust valve overlap which can be used to dramatically reduce emissions and also to really improve the torque curve.
Ford is way behind on this. BMW, Porsche, etc. have been selling DOHC 4V engines for years that have independent variable timing on both the intake and exhaust valves for years. If Ford implements this on the 4.6L, 4V engine they'll have something. But I'm not holding my breath as from what I've read the Duratec35 does not have dual variable valve timing.
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Originally posted by V10@November 21, 2005, 7:41 PM
Ford is way behind on this. BMW, Porsche, etc. have been selling DOHC 4V engines for years that have independent variable timing on both the intake and exhaust valves for years. If Ford implements this on the 4.6L, 4V engine they'll have something. But I'm not holding my breath as from what I've read the Duratec35 does not have dual variable valve timing.
Ford is way behind on this. BMW, Porsche, etc. have been selling DOHC 4V engines for years that have independent variable timing on both the intake and exhaust valves for years. If Ford implements this on the 4.6L, 4V engine they'll have something. But I'm not holding my breath as from what I've read the Duratec35 does not have dual variable valve timing.
Ohhhh..... darn, I dont think Ford's mod motors could take a hit like using a system similar to BMW's VANOS system. IIRC the weight penalty on the I6 engine is a hefty 30 pounds. Hence the composite aluminum/magnesium engine in an effort to lighten things up - all way to expensive for a union laden, government stymied US manufacturer to persue.
You guys want to see a killer mustang with a cutting edge engine that is affordable, give Billy Ford a call and tell him you want the Mustang "hencho en Mexico".
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Originally posted by bob@November 22, 2005, 7:25 PM
Ohhhh..... darn, I dont think Ford's mod motors could take a hit like using a system similar to BMW's VANOS system. IIRC the weight penalty on the I6 engine is a hefty 30 pounds. Hence the composite aluminum/magnesium engine in an effort to lighten things up - all way to expensive for a union laden, government stymied US manufacturer to persue.
You guys want to see a killer mustang with a cutting edge engine that is affordable, give Billy Ford a call and tell him you want the Mustang "hencho en Mexico".
Ohhhh..... darn, I dont think Ford's mod motors could take a hit like using a system similar to BMW's VANOS system. IIRC the weight penalty on the I6 engine is a hefty 30 pounds. Hence the composite aluminum/magnesium engine in an effort to lighten things up - all way to expensive for a union laden, government stymied US manufacturer to persue.
You guys want to see a killer mustang with a cutting edge engine that is affordable, give Billy Ford a call and tell him you want the Mustang "hencho en Mexico".
just dump the unions. problem solved.
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Originally posted by BC_Shelby@November 20, 2005, 8:59 PM
Yeah, I'm surprised that the horsepower wars aren't ALREADY over with gas going the way it is. Yet, most manufacturers - domestic AND import - are bringing out higher and higher horsepower cars.
You do have to wonder how long it can last if gas keeps going up.
Thing of it is, there's no shortage of oil for the next several decades, but it's disgusting how the big oil companies enjoy record profits while middle class working folks get stiffed at the pump.
I think the long term problem is what fossil fuel is doing to the environment. Even if you remain unconvinced that fossil fuels are contributing to global warming, even if it's only a POSSIBLITY, given the possible repercussions, shouldn't that be enough of an incentive to move to alternative energy? I mean, it's pretty much a proven fact that breathing LA air is isn't good for you...and a proven fact as to why.
We'll have to get off it eventually.
Yeah, I'm surprised that the horsepower wars aren't ALREADY over with gas going the way it is. Yet, most manufacturers - domestic AND import - are bringing out higher and higher horsepower cars.
You do have to wonder how long it can last if gas keeps going up.
Thing of it is, there's no shortage of oil for the next several decades, but it's disgusting how the big oil companies enjoy record profits while middle class working folks get stiffed at the pump.
I think the long term problem is what fossil fuel is doing to the environment. Even if you remain unconvinced that fossil fuels are contributing to global warming, even if it's only a POSSIBLITY, given the possible repercussions, shouldn't that be enough of an incentive to move to alternative energy? I mean, it's pretty much a proven fact that breathing LA air is isn't good for you...and a proven fact as to why.
We'll have to get off it eventually.
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"Thing of it is, there's no shortage of oil for the next several decades, but it's disgusting how the big oil companies enjoy record profits while middle class working folks get stiffed at the pump."
As disgusting as people asking 500k for a 2 bdrm condo?
It seems Hypocracy knows no bounds these days. It's called a "free market", and it's the cornerstone of our economy. Noones seems to mind when it's working for them.
If you add up everything that is CHEAPER now than 5 yrs ago, you'll more than make back the money the oil companies are "Stealing" from you.
Cry me a river.
As disgusting as people asking 500k for a 2 bdrm condo?
It seems Hypocracy knows no bounds these days. It's called a "free market", and it's the cornerstone of our economy. Noones seems to mind when it's working for them.
If you add up everything that is CHEAPER now than 5 yrs ago, you'll more than make back the money the oil companies are "Stealing" from you.
Cry me a river.
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UPDATE 12/09/05
The New 4.6 4v will use the FORD GT Supercar Valve Covers. More and More Service Part Numbers are being Put in the parts Catalog so this is no Glitch.
kc
The New 4.6 4v will use the FORD GT Supercar Valve Covers. More and More Service Part Numbers are being Put in the parts Catalog so this is no Glitch.
kc
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Originally posted by 05stangkc@December 9, 2005, 1:32 PM
UPDATE 12/09/05
The New 4.6 4v will use the FORD GT Supercar Valve Covers. More and More Service Part Numbers are being Put in the parts Catalog so this is no Glitch.
kc
UPDATE 12/09/05
The New 4.6 4v will use the FORD GT Supercar Valve Covers. More and More Service Part Numbers are being Put in the parts Catalog so this is no Glitch.
kc
Very Cool!
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Originally posted by SVTJayC@November 22, 2005, 11:03 PM
"Thing of it is, there's no shortage of oil for the next several decades, but it's disgusting how the big oil companies enjoy record profits while middle class working folks get stiffed at the pump."
As disgusting as people asking 500k for a 2 bdrm condo?
It seems Hypocracy knows no bounds these days. It's called a "free market", and it's the cornerstone of our economy. Noones seems to mind when it's working for them.
If you add up everything that is CHEAPER now than 5 yrs ago, you'll more than make back the money the oil companies are "Stealing" from you.
Cry me a river.
"Thing of it is, there's no shortage of oil for the next several decades, but it's disgusting how the big oil companies enjoy record profits while middle class working folks get stiffed at the pump."
As disgusting as people asking 500k for a 2 bdrm condo?
It seems Hypocracy knows no bounds these days. It's called a "free market", and it's the cornerstone of our economy. Noones seems to mind when it's working for them.
If you add up everything that is CHEAPER now than 5 yrs ago, you'll more than make back the money the oil companies are "Stealing" from you.
Cry me a river.
You wanna talk hypocrisy? Look at the policies of the government.
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Sorry to bring this back up since it ahs been so long since anyone has posted on this.
My point is that people might have said the same thing back in 1994 or 1995 if there were rumers about Ford switch the 5.0 for the 4.6. (For the people that say that it could not happen)
My point is that people might have said the same thing back in 1994 or 1995 if there were rumers about Ford switch the 5.0 for the 4.6. (For the people that say that it could not happen)
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From: Fairfield CT
Originally posted by BC_Shelby@December 9, 2005, 6:13 PM
What do the cost of condos (an APPRECIATING ASSET, I might add) have to do with the price gouging of an essential consumer commodity?
You wanna talk hypocrisy? Look at the policies of the government.
What do the cost of condos (an APPRECIATING ASSET, I might add) have to do with the price gouging of an essential consumer commodity?
You wanna talk hypocrisy? Look at the policies of the government.
Guess what? Oil is an appreciating asset as well. I own oil stocks, and they have appreciated quite nicely. The same people that bid up the price of housing, bid up the price of oil. And is housing not an essential consumer commodity? Like I said, noone seems to mind the ol' free market when it's working FOR them. I bet your avg google shareholder doesnt care that joe blo can't afford Google stock anymore now that it's been bid up to $420 a share. Like I said, cry me a river. And this coming from people that drive a car that gets 16 mpg on avg. Hillarious.
As for the topic at hand, i am hearing 350-375 hp, and probably some sort of "Boss" model.
Keep those comments to yourself
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Originally posted by 05stangkc@December 9, 2005, 5:32 PM
UPDATE 12/09/05
The New 4.6 4v will use the FORD GT Supercar Valve Covers. More and More Service Part Numbers are being Put in the parts Catalog so this is no Glitch.
kc
UPDATE 12/09/05
The New 4.6 4v will use the FORD GT Supercar Valve Covers. More and More Service Part Numbers are being Put in the parts Catalog so this is no Glitch.
kc
