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Old Sep 7, 2022 | 10:16 AM
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Guys, I know it can be easy to pile on the new guy but cut people at least a little slack....you never know someone's background or who they are...sure we watch out for trolls and spammers but just think that sometimes someone new to the hobby or maybe even not as informed as you come in and want to participate and learn....give them a little grace period and try to be welcoming. Correction doesn't mean you have to be gruff or do any "old thread shaming". Old threads aren't old to new members....and maybe he didn't realize it was old as this place can be a bit overwhelming to new members who have never been here, it's been many years and this is a lot of information to take in. Please try to welcome new members and help guide them in a nice way....if it turns out someone is hard headed and looking for trouble then we don't have a problem with the community treating them a bit harshly but for the most part someone with a thread count under 20 shouldn't be attacked or given greif unless they are posting spam. We have a lot of guys here who are seasoned vets with a lot of knowledge...just remember that everyone doesn't posses such knowledge and we always have new people coming into the hobby.
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Old Sep 7, 2022 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by svopaul
Guys, I know it can be easy to pile on the new guy but cut people at least a little slack....you never know someone's background or who they are...sure we watch out for trolls and spammers but just think that sometimes someone new to the hobby or maybe even not as informed as you come in and want to participate and learn....give them a little grace period and try to be welcoming. Correction doesn't mean you have to be gruff or do any "old thread shaming". Old threads aren't old to new members....and maybe he didn't realize it was old as this place can be a bit overwhelming to new members who have never been here, it's been many years and this is a lot of information to take in. Please try to welcome new members and help guide them in a nice way....if it turns out someone is hard headed and looking for trouble then we don't have a problem with the community treating them a bit harshly but for the most part someone with a thread count under 20 shouldn't be attacked or given greif unless they are posting spam. We have a lot of guys here who are seasoned vets with a lot of knowledge...just remember that everyone doesn't posses such knowledge and we always have new people coming into the hobby.
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Now I was being polite, in fact I was even polite after he obviously was not polite to me. I was more in correction of his comments that were incorrect for the conversation so someone did not come in and change their steering mode and think they are putting their Advance Trac in sport mode. That is all
Sorry it was early, it should have been Due and not Do.
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Old Sep 7, 2022 | 03:10 PM
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Now I was being polite, in fact I was even polite after he obviously was not polite to me. I was more in correction of his comments that were incorrect for the conversation so someone did not come in and change their steering mode and think they are putting their Advance Trac in sport mode. That is all
Sorry it was early, it should have been Due and not Do.
We aren't really targeting anyone specifically, it's easy on both sides for people to misinterpret tone over the internet and it's easy to see that when more than one person seemingly jumps on a guy that he can get defensive back. Really it's just a reminder that we all have to remember that new people still come along from time to time and may not be aware of the usual behaviors that we take for granted having been camped out here for so many years.
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Old Sep 7, 2022 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by svopaul
Guys, I know it can be easy to pile on the new guy but cut people at least a little slack....you never know someone's background or who they are...sure we watch out for trolls and spammers but just think that sometimes someone new to the hobby or maybe even not as informed as you come in and want to participate and learn....give them a little grace period and try to be welcoming. Correction doesn't mean you have to be gruff or do any "old thread shaming". Old threads aren't old to new members....and maybe he didn't realize it was old as this place can be a bit overwhelming to new members who have never been here, it's been many years and this is a lot of information to take in. Please try to welcome new members and help guide them in a nice way....if it turns out someone is hard headed and looking for trouble then we don't have a problem with the community treating them a bit harshly but for the most part someone with a thread count under 20 shouldn't be attacked or given greif unless they are posting spam. We have a lot of guys here who are seasoned vets with a lot of knowledge...just remember that everyone doesn't posses such knowledge and we always have new people coming into the hobby.
Paul! I totally respect where your coming from and do agree with you, however, in my honest opinion, what the newcomer posted in his response to Siber Express was very disrespectful and uncalled for, as Siber was only attempting to point out to the person in question that he revived a thread which had not been active in over 11 years... Needless to say, Siber was not being disrespectful towards the newcomer in anyway whatsoever and therefore did not deserve to be called out like that in such a disrespectful manner... Anyhow, for what it's worth, I came to the defense of a fellow senior member of whom I've respected as a valued member of our community here on TMS for over the past 11 years and would also do the same for anyone else by having their back as well...

That being said, I really hope you can also respect and understand my position and reasons for my post response towards the newcomer's remarks towards Siber Express...

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Originally Posted by 05stangkc
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do unto others

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I'll just put it this way, If somebody on TMS posted a disrespectful remark or comment towards you? I would also come to your defense by having your back as well... This is how I treat people, as I'm also a very firm believer in treating others in the very same way in which I would expect to be treated in return as well... Therefore, it works both ways!

Originally Posted by Siber Express
Now I was being polite, in fact I was even polite after he obviously was not polite to me. I was more in correction of his comments that were incorrect for the conversation so someone did not come in and change their steering mode and think they are putting their Advance Trac in sport mode. That is all
Sorry it was early, it should have been Due and not Do.
I totally agree Siber.. This was my reason for coming to your defense, as you did not deserve in anyway to be disrespected by the comments posted from the person in question, especially when your were being nothing but polite in both a positive and constructive manner, to begin with.. Therefore, I do not regret for a single moment coming to your defense by having your back as a fellow and respected senior member of our community here on TMS!

Originally Posted by svopaul
We aren't really targeting anyone specifically, it's easy on both sides for people to misinterpret tone over the internet and it's easy to see that when more than one person seemingly jumps on a guy that he can get defensive back. Really it's just a reminder that we all have to remember that new people still come along from time to time and may not be aware of the usual behaviors that we take for granted having been camped out here for so many years.
Paul! Once again, I totally respect your position and agree with you.. However, it was the person in question who jumped upon Siber Express in both a negative and disrespectful manner while Siber was only attempting to point out that he was reviving an old thread which was last active over 11 years ago, and in my honest opinion, Siber did so in both a constructive and positive manner.. Although it could be possible the newcomer may had misinterpreted or indirectly taken what Siber mentioned in his post response in a negative manner, and if by chance he had? don't you think at the very least he could've just requested Siber to clarify his interpretation if he had any doubts towards the intention of his post response... Anyhow, just saying

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Old Sep 8, 2022 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Paul! I totally respect where your coming from and do agree with you, however, in my honest opinion, what the newcomer posted in his response to Siber Express was very disrespectful and uncalled for, as Siber was only attempting to point out to the person in question that he revived a thread which had not been active in over 11 years... Needless to say, Siber was not being disrespectful towards the newcomer in anyway whatsoever and therefore did not deserve to be called out like that in such a disrespectful manner... Anyhow, for what it's worth, I came to the defense of a fellow senior member of whom I've respected as a valued member of our community here on TMS for over the past 11 years and would also do the same for anyone else by having their back as well...

That being said, I really hope you can also respect and understand my position and reasons for my post response towards the newcomer's remarks towards Siber Express...

-Rocky


I'll just put it this way, If somebody on TMS posted a disrespectful remark or comment towards you? I would also come to your defense by having your back as well... This is how I treat people, as I'm also a very firm believer in treating others in the very same way in which I would expect to be treated in return as well... Therefore, it works both ways!



I totally agree Siber.. This was my reason for coming to your defense, as you did not deserve in anyway to be disrespected by the comments posted from the person in question, especially when your were being nothing but polite in both a positive and constructive manner, to begin with.. Therefore, I do not regret for a single moment coming to your defense by having your back as a fellow and respected senior member of our community here on TMS!



Paul! Once again, I totally respect your position and agree with you.. However, it was the person in question who jumped upon Siber Express in both a negative and disrespectful manner while Siber was only attempting to point out that he was reviving an old thread which was last active over 11 years ago, and in my honest opinion, Siber did so in both a constructive and positive manner.. Although it could be possible the newcomer may had misinterpreted or indirectly taken what Siber mentioned in his post response in a negative manner, and if by chance he had? don't you think at the very least he could've just requested Siber to clarify his interpretation if he had any doubts towards the intention of his post response... Anyhow, just saying
Like I said before I am not singling out anyone...I try to maintain a outside looking in position when seeing these things and I see on both sides where things can get out of hand because a comment is misinterpreted. It's easy without knowing tone as you would have in person to see where someone can take something as an attack and without knowing individuals well as you would in a more personal social setting you have to try to understand that everyone reacts differently. While you guys came in and explained why you said what you did, I do wish Kell2112 would chime in as well because the only way to really understand each other's positions is to talk it out. Misunderstandings happen WAY too often in settings like this and really the only way to clear the air is for everyone involved to talk it out because we don't have the option of sitting around sharing a beer, this becomes a hurdle to overcome.
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Old Sep 9, 2022 | 04:22 PM
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You're exactly 100% spot on as misunderstandings do indeed happen way too often, even more so when it concerns social media platforms... It's nearly impossibly to really know for certain how words are interpreted when it comes to relying on just reading text, when compared to being in an actual social setting in person.. Therefore, I most definitely need to remind myself to be more aware down the road, before reacting in the moment... That being said, I fully agree and appreciate that you brought this to the attention of everyone involved, myself included!
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Old Sep 10, 2022 | 07:51 AM
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Just a note: Sometimes 'old threads' never lose their relevance and can be quite helpful. I personally try NOT to revive them but some could be written yesterday (instead of a decade ago) as far as relevance.
I always think of my posts about the care of convertible tops. I still get feedback on my Trans Am 'vert that I posted about a decade ago on that forum and I'm sure the same here on this Mustang forum. Post #4 in the following thread from 2014 is something I would write today. It's boring for non-convertible owners but still important for current 'vert owners.
https://themustangsource.com/forums/...ng-new-530786/
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Old Sep 11, 2022 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NC14GT
Just a note: Sometimes 'old threads' never lose their relevance and can be quite helpful. I personally try NOT to revive them but some could be written yesterday (instead of a decade ago) as far as relevance.
I always think of my posts about the care of convertible tops. I still get feedback on my Trans Am 'vert that I posted about a decade ago on that forum and I'm sure the same here on this Mustang forum. Post #4 in the following thread from 2014 is something I would write today. It's boring for non-convertible owners but still important for current 'vert owners.
https://themustangsource.com/forums/...ng-new-530786/
That's Why It Now Has a Sticky on it! Yesterday Saw Four Guests Reading it at the Same Time! It's Had over 14,000 Views! See Link Above for Vert Top Care!

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Old Sep 11, 2022 | 05:58 PM
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I see 28 replies and 8,968 views total within an 11 year span.. Don't know where your coming up with 14,000 views from
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Old Sep 11, 2022 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
I see 28 replies and 8,968 views total within an 11 year span.. Don't know where your coming up with 14,000 views from
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Old Sep 11, 2022 | 06:16 PM
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My mistake! I misunderstood, as I thought you were referring to the Sport Mode thread
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Old Sep 12, 2022 | 07:04 AM
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When I get a problem child in the shop, sometimes I'll go online to see if this is a problem others have had so I often end up viewing old topics on various sites so the relevance never goes away even though the conversation stops. I do see a lot of topics dropped on various sites with no resolution posted which is a shame or maybe they gave up and never solved the issue so it's nice even if it's a decade later if someone shares their experience.
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Old Sep 12, 2022 | 07:40 PM
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This would also seem to explain the reasoning for vintage threads remaining open.. However, I've also noticed on similar website forums where they close threads down if there has been no activity after a certain period of time has passed
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Old Sep 13, 2022 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
This would also seem to explain the reasoning for vintage threads remaining open.. However, I've also noticed on similar website forums where they close threads down if there has been no activity after a certain period of time has passed
The only issue that I see with that unless it's a cut and dry topic with only 1 answer and no need for any further discussion or input is that it eliminates the ability for people to update or provide a solution later if nobody provided one or if things change as they often do. I came across this on a Dodge forum...someone was having a problem with a car not restarting once warm.....all the offered guesses were wrong and didn't fix the problem....the thread was locked because it was old. I ran into the same problem with my Magnum and I FIXED IT...yet I couldn't add my solution/fix because the thread was locked....so probably still years later now I'm sure others may have had the same issue and looked for a solution but they can't find it because I wasn't allowed to add to the thread....That makes no sense. BTW, my fix cost $5 as opposed to the suggestions of replacing the ECU and having it reprogrammed which still wouldn't fix it. All it took was an actual mechanic to think through the problem instead of the many parts changers just throwing parts at a problem hoping to fix it.
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Old Sep 13, 2022 | 07:46 AM
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I think it's a good idea to leave the old threads open for new posts, for the same reasons as Paul.

And we need to be aware that a lot of the younger users are posting from phones and probably can't see the dates on the prior posts, or if they can see them, they pay no attention. Remember Facebook is strictly "stream of consciousness" with no date relevance for the most part; if you can find it or see it, then it's "current."

Sometimes people reply to an old thread that is obviously no longer relevant, like "is this still for sale?" after 10 years. A gentle reminder or joking reply is probably all that is needed in those cases.

EDIT/PS -- I did not read all of this thread, so cut me some slack if I'm missing the point, LOL

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Old Sep 13, 2022 | 04:28 PM
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The only issue that I see with that unless it's a cut and dry topic with only 1 answer and no need for any further discussion or input is that it eliminates the ability for people to update or provide a solution later if nobody provided one or if things change as they often do. I came across this on a Dodge forum...someone was having a problem with a car not restarting once warm.....all the offered guesses were wrong and didn't fix the problem....the thread was locked because it was old. I ran into the same problem with my Magnum and I FIXED IT...yet I couldn't add my solution/fix because the thread was locked....so probably still years later now I'm sure others may have had the same issue and looked for a solution but they can't find it because I wasn't allowed to add to the thread....That makes no sense. BTW, my fix cost $5 as opposed to the suggestions of replacing the ECU and having it reprogrammed which still wouldn't fix it. All it took was an actual mechanic to think through the problem instead of the many parts changers just throwing parts at a problem hoping to fix it.
This also makes a lot of practical sense as well, and therefore once again, I fully agree
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Old Sep 13, 2022 | 05:00 PM
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Truthfully if I go into an old thread and it has the info I am looking for I read it and if it has a like button I hit it. So should the thread be searchable, yes, like buttons working, yes, able to post in something in a thread more than 5 years old I don't think that should be allowed, especially by someone with their first post.
Reasons why, I was once a Moderator and the low post people on more than one of the sites had restrictions on where they could post. Scammers and people trying to get a free Ads up would go through and post in older threads to get their stuff on the site since that was away to post in places on the site that they could not post a new thread themselves. In most of the places as a Moderator we would not go into an older thread or not go all the way to the end of it until it was reported.
Also as a moderator the post that I made the comment on I would have either deleted it or edited it since it had nothing to do with the actual content of the thread and asked the person to post relevant content only. We were also in a different world then and we were not fighting with Facebook for Members.
As for svopaul's reasoning, We had a couple of times where the problem was not corrected and in one it was 5 years later I was asked if there was a way something could be added for the fix. I opened the thread up and the guy posted the fix and then the thread was left open for a time so others could post a thanks or anything else relevant and closed again after about a month. Another time I was emailed the comment and I added it and just left it closed. Both those threads were closed because Bad Information was getting added and just confusing people.
Once again I am sorry I pissed the guy off for calling him out on adding something that had nothing to do with the actual topic of the thread.

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Old Sep 13, 2022 | 09:20 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, you did nothing wrong to apologize for.. You were just trying to be helpful in order to prevent any inaccurate info from being misrepresented, regarding the thread topic.. You were not being rude, inconsiderate nor impolite in anyway, and therefore did not deserve to be called out in such a disrespectful manner whatsoever... That being said, I do not regret coming to your defense for a single moment and would also do the very same for anybody else by having their back as well, if necessary!
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Old Sep 16, 2022 | 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 05stangkc
That's Why It Now Has a Sticky on it! Yesterday Saw Four Guests Reading it at the Same Time! It's Had over 14,000 Views! See Link Above for Vert Top Care!

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Very cool!
I thought it might be too boring of a read but I'm glad it has value for the convertible folks. I did my 'new' 2014 GT 'vert top and didn't change a thing using the exact same process..
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