Rollbars - does anyone have one yet?
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From: akron ohio
I too have installed a roll hoop in my LS. I used the Schroth six point , I do not like the four. Some clubs will not let you run with the four point even if it is dot approved. Schroth makes a great link kit for our cars where you can just remove the seat bet bolts and replace with the ones on the kit and snap the lap belts in and out. The sub belt can go thru the seat on the drivers side but not on the passenger side due to the gel-pack installed in the seat.At the track I just put the std. seat belts around the seat and snap them it to prevent the buzzer from driving me nuts. I paint the hoop Ford race red, It took a lot of paint.
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Ok you put the sub straps through your Factory Recaro’s?
Any pictures of how you did this?
Cut it and had an upholstery shop sew up the edges?
How did you mount the sub straps?
Drill through the floor and mount them with a piece of steel plate?
Once I get a four point roll bar (Kendall), I’m thinking I’m going to install a Sparco seat on the driver’s side for track days.
I’m not sure the two piece (reclining) stock seats are the best way to go if you have a roll bar and are using a harness.
When you this far what’s point in keeping the stock seat for track days?
Four bolts, unclip the harness and remove the seat, bolt in the race seat and go…………..
Yes you will get the Air Bag Light but that light doesn’t affect anything………..
Any pictures of how you did this?
Cut it and had an upholstery shop sew up the edges?
How did you mount the sub straps?
Drill through the floor and mount them with a piece of steel plate?
Once I get a four point roll bar (Kendall), I’m thinking I’m going to install a Sparco seat on the driver’s side for track days.
I’m not sure the two piece (reclining) stock seats are the best way to go if you have a roll bar and are using a harness.
When you this far what’s point in keeping the stock seat for track days?
Four bolts, unclip the harness and remove the seat, bolt in the race seat and go…………..
Yes you will get the Air Bag Light but that light doesn’t affect anything………..
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Here are some pics of the Miller cars, the harness bar is in the same position. My seat is lifted about three pumps.
He pointed it out to me yesterday and I had no idea it was possible.
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From: akron ohio
Thank you very much cloud nine. If someone sends me a pm I will send them the pis of the sub-belt inserts and install and they can post if you would like. Clould nine is there a way to read the tire pressue monitior all the time vs just a problem signal?. The seat inserts were installed with super glue to prevent the pulling of the fabric. The inserts allso do not come appart once you put them together.
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Thank you very much cloud nine. If someone sends me a pm I will send them the pis of the sub-belt inserts and install and they can post if you would like. Clould nine is there a way to read the tire pressue monitior all the time vs just a problem signal?. The seat inserts were installed with super glue to prevent the pulling of the fabric. The inserts allso do not come appart once you put them together.
Are you asking if the TPMS monitor can display the current psi? If so, I don't know how to do that.....
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Just some other info...........
Here's a picture of how much higher the harness bar is mounted in an FR500C for reference.
Read more here.............. http://www.circletrack.com/safety/ct...#ixzz1fLFp7zCA
Here's another example...........
Here's a picture of how much higher the harness bar is mounted in an FR500C for reference.
SHOULDER STRAPS
The purpose of the shoulder straps is to anchor the driver's torso against the seat. Although brevity is necessary with all the belts, you especially want to keep the shoulder straps as short as possible because they are the longest pieces of the system. Any safety harness will allow a certain percentage of stretch, so the longer the belt, the more overall stretch it will allow. To minimize shoulder-belt length, the belts should mount to a rollcage bar almost directly behind the driver's seat and approximately level with his or her shoulder blades (or slightly higher).
The purpose of the shoulder straps is to anchor the driver's torso against the seat. Although brevity is necessary with all the belts, you especially want to keep the shoulder straps as short as possible because they are the longest pieces of the system. Any safety harness will allow a certain percentage of stretch, so the longer the belt, the more overall stretch it will allow. To minimize shoulder-belt length, the belts should mount to a rollcage bar almost directly behind the driver's seat and approximately level with his or her shoulder blades (or slightly higher).
The height of the shoulder strap mounts is critical because if they are too low they can actually compress the driver's spine in a collision. But if the mounting position is too high, the driver will be allowed to slide up in his or her seat if the car is overturned.
VanGilder says that the location of the shoulder strap mounts depends on the position of the driver. The mounts should be at a 90-degree angle to the line of the driver's spine. That means if the seat is more reclined, the mounts should be lower. But if the seat has the driver sitting up straight, the mounts should be higher. No modifications are necessary depending on whether the driver wears a head-and-neck restraint such as a HANS Device. Remember that these guidelines for properly mounting your seat and belts could be the difference between walking away from a crash and being carried out on a stretcher. But there is no substitute for talking with the belt and seat manufacturer. The manufacturer you choose will offer resources to help you properly mount your seat and belts.
Read more here.............. http://www.circletrack.com/safety/ct...#ixzz1fLFp7zCA
Here's another example...........
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I don’t see anything for the tire sensor.
ID CHANNEL NAME FUNCTION
ECU_1 F_RPM RPM
ECU_2 F_SPEED Speed
ECU_3 F_PEDAL_POS Pedal position sensor
ECU_4 M_WH_SPD_FL Front left wheel speed
ECU_5 M_WH_SPD_FR Front right wheel speed
ECU_6 M_WH_SPD_RL Rear Left wheel speed
ECU_7 M_WH_SPD_RR Rear right wheel speed
ECU_8 M_ECT Traction control
ECU_9 M_ETC_TELTAL Traction control alarm
ECU_10 M_TURBO_BOOST Turbo boost (N/A)
ECU_11 M_FUEL_LVLMEAN Fuel level
ECU_12 M_FUEL_INST_1 Instantaneous fuel consumption (1)
ECU_13 M_FUEL_INST_2 Instantaneous fuel consumption (2)
ECU_14 M_FUEL_AVERAGE Average fuel level
ECU_15 M_FUEL_FLOW Fuel flow
ECU_16 M_CLUTCH_SW Clutch switch
ECU_17 M_TCS_BRK_EVE Traction Control Brake Event in progress
ECU_18 M_TCS_ENG_EVE Engine Control Engine Event in progress
ECU_19 M_BRK_LAMP_SW Brake switch
ECU_20 M_ABS_TELTAL ABS Alarm
ECU_21 M_AXLE_RATIO Axle ration
ECU_22 M_MIL_TELTAL Malfunction Indicator Light
ECU_23 M_FAILSAFECOOL Fail safe cooling mode
ECU_24 M_GEAR Gear
ECU_25 M_TYRE_SIZE Tire size
ECU_26 M_SMART_ALARM1 Not available
ECU_27 M_SB_CTRL_TEL Stability Control Telltale NO/YES
ECU_28 M_SB_CTRL_MTXT Stability Control Telltale Text Message (code)
ECU_29 M_ABS_EVENT Not Available
ECU_30 M_ESP_EVENT Electronic Stability Control event in progress
ECU_31 M_TRQ_ACT (Nm) Torque
ECU_32 M_BRK_WARN_TEL Brake Warning Telltale ON/OFF
ECU_33 M_VEH_YAW_RATE Vehicle Yaw Rate
ECU_34 M_VEH_LAT_ACC Vehicle lateral acceleration
ECU_35 M_STEER_WH_ANG Steering wheel angle
ECU_36 M_TYRE_RV_MILE Tire revolutions for mile
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Our Recaro's are not real "motorsports" seats, our cars are designed first as a street legal passenger cars.
That's why Ford Racing offers Ford branded Sparco's.............
Can you use a stock seat in a "race car", yes.
Taken from the NASA CCR
11.4.12 Seats
All seats must be securely fastened to the structure of the car such that they are strong enough to withstand a major impact. If replaced, the replacement seat should be installed according to the manufacturer’s instructions.
If stock seats are to be used with a roll bar/cage, care should be taken to prevent the seat from submarining under the rollbar. Care should also be taken to prevent the occupant from hitting his/her head on the roll bar/cage.
Passenger seats must meet the same requirements, per the CCR, as the driver seat, if used by passengers. Note- The passenger seat does not have to match the driver’s seat.
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So now I'm going to give my opinion here.
“Caveat Emptor”
HPDE / Time Attack:
1. Stock seat, stock seat belt, minimum level of safety.
2. Install roll bar, stock seat, stock seat belt, one step up on the level of safety
3. Install roll bar with properly placed harness bar and for additional roll over protection a diagonal bar, install harness, stock seat, cut seat so you can install anti-submarine belts
4. Install roll bar with properly placed harness bar and for additional roll over protection a diagonal bar, install harness, FIA approved race seats.
The only problem here each step takes some of the street friendliness away……………
If you make the decision to do steps 3 or 4 you need to read the SSCA CCRs and/or the NASA CCR, because if you do this you have "lost" the OEM safety and if you install stuff not in accordance with the rules you comprise your safety.
Also some instructors will not get into a car if you have protection and they don’t or if aftermarket “safety” equipment isn’t installed correctly.
I guess the reason I’m a little **** on this stuff is that I skydive, I wouldn’t cut a corner with my equipment there and when I’m thinking about modding a car for the track it makes no “cents” to cut corners on safety there either.
That's why Ford Racing offers Ford branded Sparco's.............
Can you use a stock seat in a "race car", yes.
Taken from the NASA CCR
11.4.12 Seats
All seats must be securely fastened to the structure of the car such that they are strong enough to withstand a major impact. If replaced, the replacement seat should be installed according to the manufacturer’s instructions.
If stock seats are to be used with a roll bar/cage, care should be taken to prevent the seat from submarining under the rollbar. Care should also be taken to prevent the occupant from hitting his/her head on the roll bar/cage.
Passenger seats must meet the same requirements, per the CCR, as the driver seat, if used by passengers. Note- The passenger seat does not have to match the driver’s seat.
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So now I'm going to give my opinion here.
“Caveat Emptor”
HPDE / Time Attack:
1. Stock seat, stock seat belt, minimum level of safety.
2. Install roll bar, stock seat, stock seat belt, one step up on the level of safety
3. Install roll bar with properly placed harness bar and for additional roll over protection a diagonal bar, install harness, stock seat, cut seat so you can install anti-submarine belts
4. Install roll bar with properly placed harness bar and for additional roll over protection a diagonal bar, install harness, FIA approved race seats.
The only problem here each step takes some of the street friendliness away……………
If you make the decision to do steps 3 or 4 you need to read the SSCA CCRs and/or the NASA CCR, because if you do this you have "lost" the OEM safety and if you install stuff not in accordance with the rules you comprise your safety.
Also some instructors will not get into a car if you have protection and they don’t or if aftermarket “safety” equipment isn’t installed correctly.
I guess the reason I’m a little **** on this stuff is that I skydive, I wouldn’t cut a corner with my equipment there and when I’m thinking about modding a car for the track it makes no “cents” to cut corners on safety there either.
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I am somewhere between 3 and 4 right now. I am going to see how my stock seat lines up with the harness bar and I have a 6 point harness with anti-sub belts that attach over the edge of the seat. I'm considering putting in an FIA approved race seat for track days, but haven't decided on that yet.
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Well, you've got the roll protection, so you might as well install the harnesses and an FIA seat... 
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All I know is my roll bar and belts worked perfectly yesterday! I do not need to break out a protractor or theodolite and figure out the angles since I was quite pleased to have the setup done in time for Daytona, I am sure it saved a lot of neck and back pain for this old guy!!!
Pulled them down tight and almost like a race car driver
Now if you guys would buy some more discs I could afford a Hans Device :hint: :hint: 
Pulled them down tight and almost like a race car driver
Now if you guys would buy some more discs I could afford a Hans Device :hint: :hint:
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All I know is my roll bar and belts worked perfectly yesterday! I do not need to break out a protractor or theodolite and figure out the angles since I was quite pleased to have the setup done in time for Daytona, I am sure it saved a lot of neck and back pain for this old guy!!!
Pulled them down tight and almost like a race car driver Now if you guys would buy some more discs I could afford a Hans Device :hint: :hint:
Pulled them down tight and almost like a race car driver
Now if you guys would buy some more discs I could afford a Hans Device :hint: :hint: How's inside the cabin with noise. Is it alot louder? Did the roll bar stiffen up the ride and if so how will that affect street driving.
