2012 Boss 302
8/9/10 | 01:48 PM
#582
If it is "only" going to have 430 hp, a nominal uptick from the current 412, it sounds more akin to the Bullitt in terms of content upgrades, i.e., minor engine tune, suspension tuning and requisite tape stripes and trim bits. Thus, it ought to have a Bullitt'ish price premium which, if I recall, was something like 3 grand. Thus, the Boss ought to base at about $33K, which sounds reasonable.
Of course, if they do put in a lot more bespoke bits and pieces, well, who knows, maybe mid to upper 30s before they start getting too close to the (overpriced) GT500.
Remember, too, that the Stang now has a lot more direct competition than, say, when they brought out the GT500 and thus can't be as bloated with their pricing. Chevy has a small arsenal of up-power motors they could stick into the Camaro, Dodge is apparently uprating the Challenger's engine bay for '11 and there still are rumors of Hyundai finally getting serious and dropping their own 5.0 in the Genesis Coupe.
Of course, if they do put in a lot more bespoke bits and pieces, well, who knows, maybe mid to upper 30s before they start getting too close to the (overpriced) GT500.
Remember, too, that the Stang now has a lot more direct competition than, say, when they brought out the GT500 and thus can't be as bloated with their pricing. Chevy has a small arsenal of up-power motors they could stick into the Camaro, Dodge is apparently uprating the Challenger's engine bay for '11 and there still are rumors of Hyundai finally getting serious and dropping their own 5.0 in the Genesis Coupe.
8/9/10 | 01:55 PM
#583
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If it is "only" going to have 430 hp, a nominal uptick from the current 412, it sounds more akin to the Bullitt in terms of content upgrades, i.e., minor engine tune, suspension tuning and requisite tape stripes and trim bits. Thus, it ought to have a Bullitt'ish price premium which, if I recall, was something like 3 grand. Thus, the Boss ought to base at about $33K, which sounds reasonable.
Of course, if they do put in a lot more bespoke bits and pieces, well, who knows, maybe mid to upper 30s before they start getting too close to the (overpriced) GT500.
Remember, too, that the Stang now has a lot more direct competition than, say, when they brought out the GT500 and thus can't be as bloated with their pricing. Chevy has a small arsenal of up-power motors they could stick into the Camaro, Dodge is apparently uprating the Challenger's engine bay for '11 and there still are rumors of Hyundai finally getting serious and dropping their own 5.0 in the Genesis Coupe.
Of course, if they do put in a lot more bespoke bits and pieces, well, who knows, maybe mid to upper 30s before they start getting too close to the (overpriced) GT500.
Remember, too, that the Stang now has a lot more direct competition than, say, when they brought out the GT500 and thus can't be as bloated with their pricing. Chevy has a small arsenal of up-power motors they could stick into the Camaro, Dodge is apparently uprating the Challenger's engine bay for '11 and there still are rumors of Hyundai finally getting serious and dropping their own 5.0 in the Genesis Coupe.
You're going to have to think a little outside the box and not use the past SEs as a forecast for what the 302 will have done. Needless to say, it won't disappoint.
8/9/10 | 01:55 PM
#584
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8/9/10 | 01:57 PM
#585
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huh? 
In hindsight it is safe to say the only reason the B extended into 09 was our Saudi friend's $4 gas and the Great Implosion. Even with the extended run, they did not reach their intended 7700 (US & CA). The complete run totalled 6500 and change.
The B was WAY more than an appearance package and was NOT mass marketed. Many of the B's handling and engine innovations are in the 10 and even the 11 GT's.
The B was WAY more than an appearance package and was NOT mass marketed. Many of the B's handling and engine innovations are in the 10 and even the 11 GT's.
Last edited by cdynaco; 8/9/10 at 02:03 PM.
8/9/10 | 02:21 PM
#587
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The '12's build start date is the 2nd week of Jan 2011 if I remember correctly based on PT's post.
8/9/10 | 02:24 PM
#589
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It's gonna be a good Friday the 13th
8/9/10 | 02:36 PM
#591
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Hmmm, let's take a look at the 302R for guidance. The advertised upgrades to the are:
Seam welded chassis
Wheels
Fuel Cell
Koni adjustable shocks
Adjustable sway bar
Multimatic 3 Link
Race prepped TR6060
Torsen TR2
Aluminum Radiator
Oil Cooler
Special Exhaust
Recaro race seat
My guess is the street car follows this pattern of upgrades. The recaros would be a little different (plus there would be two of them), the wheels would be different but unique and Ford would remove the adjustable shocks/sways (insert production style special spring and shock tuning) and fuel cell and there it is. Could it be possible that Ford is going to use the seam welded chassis? Would make for a compelling story/nice marketing and something not easily duplicated by enthusiasts.
The best special addition cars are those were the standard version cannot be upgraded with the same components. If Ford gives the Boss the chassis and the Multimatic suspension parts it would definitely fit this. I can hear it now "Ford starts with the Race winning 302R and then...".
8/9/10 | 02:53 PM
#593
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First of all, Charliehorse is known to be more than your average Bullitt eccentric... 
But, if you want to go around making such bold (and completely incorrect) statements such as "the Bullitt and Mach 1 were nothing more than tape/stripe/badge jobs", then you a) should expect the outlas, 2) think a little longer before hitting submit, and D) expect that your credibility will be questioned.
You want to talk about tape stripe SEs? Talk 35th/40th Anniversary Editions, Centennial Edition, Cobra 10th Anniversary Edition. NOT Bullitt or Mach 1.
/off my soapbox now.
Carry on y'all....
But, if you want to go around making such bold (and completely incorrect) statements such as "the Bullitt and Mach 1 were nothing more than tape/stripe/badge jobs", then you a) should expect the outlas, 2) think a little longer before hitting submit, and D) expect that your credibility will be questioned.
You want to talk about tape stripe SEs? Talk 35th/40th Anniversary Editions, Centennial Edition, Cobra 10th Anniversary Edition. NOT Bullitt or Mach 1.
/off my soapbox now.
Carry on y'all....
8/9/10 | 03:12 PM
#595
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First of all, Charliehorse is known to be more than your average Bullitt eccentric...
But, if you want to go around making such bold (and completely incorrect) statements such as "the Bullitt and Mach 1 were nothing more than tape/stripe/badge jobs", then you a) should expect the outlas, 2) think a little longer before hitting submit, and D) expect that your credibility will be questioned.
You want to talk about tape stripe SEs? Talk 35th/40th Anniversary Editions, Centennial Edition, Cobra 10th Anniversary Edition. NOT Bullitt or Mach 1.
/off my soapbox now.
Carry on y'all....
But, if you want to go around making such bold (and completely incorrect) statements such as "the Bullitt and Mach 1 were nothing more than tape/stripe/badge jobs", then you a) should expect the outlas, 2) think a little longer before hitting submit, and D) expect that your credibility will be questioned.
You want to talk about tape stripe SEs? Talk 35th/40th Anniversary Editions, Centennial Edition, Cobra 10th Anniversary Edition. NOT Bullitt or Mach 1.
/off my soapbox now.
Carry on y'all....
I realize everyone is a little on edge with anticipation, but I meant no harm.
8/9/10 | 03:24 PM
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8/9/10 | 03:33 PM
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True, but if this is going to drop on the 13th, then the media outlets are already looking at the embargo info, and are still playing dumb about it. Not to mention all of the hints that were dropped, like the '70 302 rolling out on stage during the dealers meeting, certain cues on the 302R that were close to production, etc.