1 Day old boss 302 with BLOWN motor???
4/18/11, 02:03 PM
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Talk to the guys who bought the 2008 Roush BlackJack - only 100 will ever be produced (in 2008) - then another 100 in 2009. Money will determine production. I am not sure the Bullitt ever got to the 7700 promised. If I am not mistaken, the production ended because demand dried up. And we can compare Bullitts to BOSSes - in 99% of people's minds. There technically never was a 1968 Bullitt - it was a movie car. The modern Bullitts are tributes to a movie - not a production car. But in most people's minds, it WAS collectible. BOSSes may have a REAL heritage, but to the average guy, it is just another SE Mustang.
4/18/11, 02:16 PM
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It seems that the numbers we are being told about the 2012/13 Boss is
about the same type of numbers that was being told about the 2003/4 SVTs.
The 2003/4s were to be limited and after selling so good, they made more
production runs. I think they ended up with a double number than they said at
first. I was the first in line to order one of the 2003 SVT and this seems like a
rerun of it with the Boss. I should have my Boss in a couple of days and am going
to enjoy it and not collect it!
about the same type of numbers that was being told about the 2003/4 SVTs.
The 2003/4s were to be limited and after selling so good, they made more
production runs. I think they ended up with a double number than they said at
first. I was the first in line to order one of the 2003 SVT and this seems like a
rerun of it with the Boss. I should have my Boss in a couple of days and am going
to enjoy it and not collect it!
Needless to say, if Boss become the new premier marquee the 2012/2013 will be unlikely to ever reach serious collector value. That said, there is always the chance these cars will become quite desirable as the electrification of the auto industry takes hold and getting relatively "simple" ICE engines become extinct.
4/18/11, 02:40 PM
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Yeah, maybe I should have phrased that differently....I should have said....if they stop production like they "claim" they will. I kind of feel like jurgens does about the way they did the 03-04 cobras. They kind of did the same thing with the Shelby's too....they were supposed to originally be very limited in production but that changed pretty quickly.
4/18/11, 03:24 PM
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Shelby GT500's didn't used to qualify for X-plan pricing, now it appears they do for both leftover 2011's and 2012's. Never under estimate power of the bean counters to do whatever it takes to improve the bottom line. That includes producing 9999 Bosses per year.
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4/18/11, 06:03 PM
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Let's see if the dealer encounters any damage. Remember 20 years ago when Cadillac advertised the NorthStar V-8 as being able to run 50 miles without coolant? The electronics could safeguard the engine, so don't throw the baby out with the bathwater until the engine is checked out. BTW situational awareness should have allowed you to ascertain that something was amiss before the engine temperature needle pegged and the electronics kicked into limp home mode.
4/18/11, 06:10 PM
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Sucks that you had an issue but neither Ford nor the dealer owes you anything other then the warranty that came with the car.
4/18/11, 06:33 PM
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OK, these are engines, not motors.......
Well, Our Bosses or Mustangs for that matter do not have an Engine Coolant Sensor (ECT) sensor.
Sensors that are mounted in coolant will not measure temperature if there is a loss of coolant!
So the ECM would not have any data........
So Ford Engineering has put in a Cylinder Head Temperature (CHT)sensor which is more accurate than any sensor located in a fluid, the CHT sensor measures the heat in direct proportion to the cylinder head temperature (Metal to Metal).
This sensor is located in a dry hole on the head itself.
If there is a situation where the head reaches a certain temperature the ECM driven by a signal from the sensor goes into Failsafe Mode, pulling timing, and deactivating cylinders.
If the engine temperature continues to rise the engine then shuts itself down BEFORE damage occurs.
That is for a loss of coolant, if the bock is ventilated because of a rod, or the engine oil is contaminated by coolant that's a different matter!
Hope there was only a loss of coolant!
Well, Our Bosses or Mustangs for that matter do not have an Engine Coolant Sensor (ECT) sensor.
Sensors that are mounted in coolant will not measure temperature if there is a loss of coolant!
So the ECM would not have any data........
So Ford Engineering has put in a Cylinder Head Temperature (CHT)sensor which is more accurate than any sensor located in a fluid, the CHT sensor measures the heat in direct proportion to the cylinder head temperature (Metal to Metal).
This sensor is located in a dry hole on the head itself.
If there is a situation where the head reaches a certain temperature the ECM driven by a signal from the sensor goes into Failsafe Mode, pulling timing, and deactivating cylinders.
If the engine temperature continues to rise the engine then shuts itself down BEFORE damage occurs.
That is for a loss of coolant, if the bock is ventilated because of a rod, or the engine oil is contaminated by coolant that's a different matter!
Hope there was only a loss of coolant!
4/18/11, 07:43 PM
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so the coolant line to the oil cooler fell of! I informed for corporate of the situation and they are going to put a "specialist" on the case. i want a new car with no issues! It looks like who ever put the hose clamp was hungover or yes 430p on a friday...yay america!
So I told the manager if you went to a dealer and were going to purchase one of these and they told you that at 90 miles the car over heated for 15min during the break in period, but we we still want 5-6k over msrp...you would tell that sales person to get lost this is essentially the situation you have put me in, granted its not your fault it is fords fault this needs to be made right! If you cant find me a new car you need to compensate me in a large way! re do the loan at msrp and give me the xenon HIDs for free otherwise my lawyer will be making a visit!
I know these things happen, but the consumer should not be the one to suffer from a lazy a** overpaid union worker who cant even put a hose on right.
So I told the manager if you went to a dealer and were going to purchase one of these and they told you that at 90 miles the car over heated for 15min during the break in period, but we we still want 5-6k over msrp...you would tell that sales person to get lost this is essentially the situation you have put me in, granted its not your fault it is fords fault this needs to be made right! If you cant find me a new car you need to compensate me in a large way! re do the loan at msrp and give me the xenon HIDs for free otherwise my lawyer will be making a visit!
I know these things happen, but the consumer should not be the one to suffer from a lazy a** overpaid union worker who cant even put a hose on right.
You've got a right to be angry over this but Ford's only obligation to you- both legally and morally, is to fix your car. It's unreasonable at this point in time to expect them to give you a new car.
4/18/11, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by flashbang756
What?? Are you serious??
Have you not seen what the originals are worth now? And that's only 40 years time....so he'll be dead in 40 years?
I'm not saying that these will follow the same value path as the originals but that's really all you can go by....anything could happen. Like someone said earlier, if the electric craze gets stronger, these may increase in value even quicker....who knows? But to say he'd be dead before it's a collector is extremely short sighted.
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4/18/11, 08:29 PM
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OK, these are engines, not motors.......
Well, Our Bosses or Mustangs for that matter do not have an Engine Coolant Sensor (ECT) sensor.
Sensors that are mounted in coolant will not measure temperature if there is a loss of coolant!
So the ECM would not have any data........
So Ford Engineering has put in a Cylinder Head Temperature (CHT)sensor which is more accurate than any sensor located in a fluid, the CHT sensor measures the heat in direct proportion to the cylinder head temperature (Metal to Metal).
This sensor is located in a dry hole on the head itself.
If there is a situation where the head reaches a certain temperature the ECM driven by a signal from the sensor goes into Failsafe Mode, pulling timing, and deactivating cylinders.
If the engine temperature continues to rise the engine then shuts itself down BEFORE damage occurs.
That is for a loss of coolant, if the bock is ventilated because of a rod, or the engine oil is contaminated by coolant that's a different matter!
Hope there was only a loss of coolant!
Well, Our Bosses or Mustangs for that matter do not have an Engine Coolant Sensor (ECT) sensor.
Sensors that are mounted in coolant will not measure temperature if there is a loss of coolant!
So the ECM would not have any data........
So Ford Engineering has put in a Cylinder Head Temperature (CHT)sensor which is more accurate than any sensor located in a fluid, the CHT sensor measures the heat in direct proportion to the cylinder head temperature (Metal to Metal).
This sensor is located in a dry hole on the head itself.
If there is a situation where the head reaches a certain temperature the ECM driven by a signal from the sensor goes into Failsafe Mode, pulling timing, and deactivating cylinders.
If the engine temperature continues to rise the engine then shuts itself down BEFORE damage occurs.
That is for a loss of coolant, if the bock is ventilated because of a rod, or the engine oil is contaminated by coolant that's a different matter!
Hope there was only a loss of coolant!
4/18/11, 10:49 PM
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Thanks guys for all the input, the car number I believe is 358. I had a long meeting with the dealer gm. said there is no damage to the motor and the part just needs to be replaced so clearly no blown motor and subsequent new motor will be needed so clearly dont expect a trade of any sort now. However I do deserve piece of mind and a mechanic saying everything is fine is not my idea of piece of mind. So i am requesting that ford send an engineer either materials or automotive engineer to check the tolerances of the motor and the structure of the internals...if this is done and it all checks out i am a happy customer. they dealer will not do anything to compensate me until ford motors address the issue...which is understandable. So they have not installed the headlights yet so the oil cooler hose fastener was misplaced from the factory
Thanks again guys ill keep you posted!
Just incase anyone cares here are my future mods...i will keep all factory parts :-). Longtube headers with high flow cats, lower suspension, thicker anti roll bars, slotted rotors front and rear, hre, bbs or o.z. light weight racing spec rims, light weight harmonic balancer and strobe brake lights under hard breaking like the F1 pace car
Thanks again guys ill keep you posted!
Just incase anyone cares here are my future mods...i will keep all factory parts :-). Longtube headers with high flow cats, lower suspension, thicker anti roll bars, slotted rotors front and rear, hre, bbs or o.z. light weight racing spec rims, light weight harmonic balancer and strobe brake lights under hard breaking like the F1 pace car
4/18/11, 11:07 PM
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what dealer is this car in for service? I need the dealer name and city and state please.
Ah welcome to TMS, hell of a way to make an entrance...........
This was a minor overheat, your internals are fine. You wont need a new long block let alone a new car................
Ah welcome to TMS, hell of a way to make an entrance...........
This was a minor overheat, your internals are fine. You wont need a new long block let alone a new car................
