lexi2013

Do you also kick sand in the face of nerds at the beach and stuff others in lockers too? :P

Dave07997S

Don't buy the 3.7V6 at 400hp at all..that would be 108hp/litre, not unless it redlines at 8300 rpm like a BMW M engine.

Dave

MustangDizzle

Ya, that's definitely bullcrap. Not happening.

Overboost

I like how you had to reference the BMW engine here. Ford won't make a V6 that close to the GT. Simple as that.

Twin Turbo

Indeed, the M3/M4 will be reverting back to 6 cylinders, soon, but even that will rely on turbos to get a little over 400bhp, so don't be looking for that sort of power in a n/a V6 from Ford.

Oh, and what have I started with this thread? I wasn't expecting this

conv_stang

But is the turbo 4 going to weigh less than the 3.7? It's the same thing with the Ecoboost V6, it weighs the same as the 5.0. Smaller turbo engines don't necessarily weigh less than their larger counterparts.

CCTking

This. The added weight of the turbo system, especially the intercooler may make it as heavy if not heavier than the next size motor

Mr. V

I believe this would depend on the motors being used. When I bought an a4 the v6 weighted more than the 4cyl turbo by 100 pounds. After just tuning it(increasing the boost pressure) they had the same power. There is a possibility of weight savings with a turbo but it depends on the design.

lexi2013

2.5 liter turbo in the subaru is light. The car weighs in around 3100-3200 nod that's mostly because of the awd. I think a similar displacement and turbo set up should weigh considerably less than a v6 enspecially if it's all aluminum.

conv_stang

STI weighs right around 3400 depending on options. And the EVO is over 3500.

lexi2013

Either way isn't that 200 less then the current v6?

steven46746

V6 is around 3500

CCTking

So its similar weight, but the other two vehicles both have AWD and that adds weight. As do the extra two door and added metal compared to the mustang

lexi2013

Without the awd it probably would weigh in the 2000lbs range for the wrx and very low if not in the 2900lbs range for the Sti. If I'm wrong someone correct me.

Gabe

AWD tends to add only about 200-250 lbs, not 400-500 like in a truck

lexi2013

Then that would put the wrx at around 2950-3000lbs. I believe the Sti has more to the drivetrain to weigh 200 more than the subie wrx. Though if you minus the weight of extra doors like someone said it should be in the really high 2000lbs range.

steven46746

3400 - 200 = 3200lb. Also wouldn't be so sure about the weight of the 2 extra doors, the difference in a 4 door civic Si to a Si coupe is 13lbs. Taking the awd from a Evo or Sti would take away any advantage or edge they ever had.

lexi2013

Edmonds has the curb weight at 3215 not 3400. Either the wrx Sti weighs more than the regular wrx or Edmonds is wrong.

bob

The LT1 was an evolution of the original small block V8, opti-spark ignition aside it was a good engine (IIRC in its final LT4 configuration put out over 400 hp) The LS engines were a clean sheet design.


In any event when the LT1 hit, GM had 275hp on tap for the Camaro and Ford dumped a big steaming pile on the Mustang faithful by not bothering to do anything with the 5.0 mill and only offering a limited number of cars with the 5.8 then to add insult on top of injury they dropped the not ready for Mustang duty 2v 4.6 in.

People can pick on Gubament Motors all they want but you have to respect their dedication to an engine platform. It would be nice if Ford would slow down trying to reinvent the wheel every coupla years and go with one good solid platform across various model lines.

CCTking

Ford doesnt exactly reinvent something every couple of years. I mean look how long the 2v 4.6 was in the line-up, they stuck with it for a while. Then when the new camaro came out and stomped 2010 gt figures Ford responded with a brand new toy of their own in the form of the 5.0.

Now that the 50th anniversary and global push are around the corner it would make sense to bring somethin copletely brand new to the table