3point7

I can't speak for the current GT but I didn't experience wheel hop in my 06 GT. I know the horsepower has dramatically increased since then. Regardless of that I'm just tired of the rose tinted glasses that some posters here seem to wear.

cdynaco

This! elfiero has zero credibility to critique any Mustang. Dunce.

JeffreyDJ

Some people simply repeat what they've read others say or write without any actual first hand knowledge. My S197 GT never once had chattering and wasn't jarring over mildly rough roads (mostly in Nashville). And, this was a '09. They had 5 more years to make it even better.

I *do* think the S550 suspension is a better base to build off of for a road course, but Ford had just about perfected that SRA. And, despite the wheel hop *may* have been better for 1/4.

A lot of the move to a IRS was because of the press constantly and consistently mentioning that SRA and calling it archaic - which causes these uninformed comments. With the move to a global car (e.g. other markets), Ford made the right decision to go to an IRS, so a box could be checked when comparing against other cars. But, much of the perception in day to day driving is not going to be noticeable to a vast majority of drivers.

(My comment about the interior - I do think it's definitely better, but it's not 100% better. Well, maybe 100% better than my '09 but not 100% better than a 12-14).

3point7

Also I didn't know you were in Nashville Jeff. Just up the interstate from me.

m05fastbackGT

First of all ! I'm not responding to your post to start up a thread war but after reading several of your posts, I could no longer just sit back without addressing some of your ridiculous claims that you've been posting..

So I'll start out by stating that you've never even owned a S-197 Mustang, so just who are you to post such negative comments about claiming how inferior Ford's 3 link SRA technology is when you weren't even aware of the fact that Ford hasn't used leaf springs on a Mustang since 1978..

As a matter of fact, I'll bet that you've never even driven an S-197 Mustang have you ?

Therefore just how in the hell would you know as to whether or not the S-197 has a chattering rear suspension when going around corners


Well fyi: I'm here to inform you that I'm currently on my second S-197 Mustang and not once have I ever experienced any type of rear chattering when going around corners as you posted.. In addition the suspension in my current 2006 GT is lowered and still has the stock dampers and although I won't deny that occasionally I do experience wheel hop, my wheels don't bounce around all over the place despite what you or certain others may choose to believe..

Personally I don't know where or whom you've been getting your info from ? but Ford did an excellent job when developing it's 3 link SRA setup in which I never experienced any ride handling or cornering issues that your referring to and to be perfectly honest with you, I don't care if your car has IRS or SRA but you're not going to eliminate wheel hop completely.. Of course you can reduce it by upgrading your LCA's, adjustable panhard bars ect.. But in the end, your still going to have a certain degree of wheel hop regardless.. Perfect example, the current Challenger and Camaro still encounter wheel hop issues and have used IRS ever since both cars were re-introduced, so if that still isn't acceptable enough for you ? then take a look at the Brenspeed video that was posted in which the IRS was tested on the 2015 S550 and guess what the test results revealed ? you guessed it, wheel hop..

And speaking of wheel hop.. I'm sure my 2006 GT will handle and feel just as smooth as the S550 once I'm done upgrading my LCA's along with upgrading to GT500 strut mounts and also replacing the OEM dampers with Koni sports.. And yes ! replacing the stock struts/shocks do make a huge difference as the OEM's are garbage..

The bottom line is this.. Everyone who's visited this thread is fully aware of how proud you are of owning a new 2015 Mustang and I congratulate you on your new purchase however that doesn't give you the right to come into these forums and discredit other Mustang owners by posting such ignorant and biased remarks just because you happen to own a new 2015 model..

With that being said, you have no room for criticizing the S-197 Mustang as you neither have any experience nor any real knowledge about the car's suspension components to begin with.. Therefore your claims have absolutely no credibility whatsoever

JeffreyDJ

I was, I lived there 10 years. I moved back to Dallas 3 years ago.

However, we're there quiet a bit. I still own a home there and my wife's family is from there!

3point7

Oh man, I lived in Texas for three years when I was assigned to Fort Hood and I'm a huge Cowboys fan lol. They got robbed in that game against Green Bay, that was clearly a catch.

JeffreyDJ

I had *just* gotten over that. The wound is now open again

I still miss living in Nashville (and I lived out west along the harpeth river and hwy 70). It had some great roads for driving.

tom281

Sniff sniff..... what is that..... Bromance!??!?!!

3point7

Oh yes, because two guys liking the same football team is just unheard of. lol

Listen, just because your wife won't let you have any guy friends doesn't mean you have to be jealous of me and Jeff lol.

SteelTownStang

Ever think that Ford kept the "numbers" similar to clear out the '14 inventory. If anyone thinks that the S550 is tapped-out on performance, then they are sadly mistaken. There is nowhere to go but up... and that's where it'll be heading. The S197 is getting more dated by the minute- literally and figuratively.

In response to the OP's question- a few tenths can be easily made up with a few bolt-ons, or just get a GT350, Roush, or wait for an SE version that shouldn't be too far off...

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I love(d) the S197, but all the negativity about the S550 is getting old. Not liking the styling is one thing, and completely subjective, but the objective arguments are often exaggerated and mostly nonsensical... I-M-O.

typesredline

I disagree that the s550 (motor wise) isn't "tapped out". The changes were very subtle from the previous years motor. Slightly hotter cam, and revised intake are the main things that added power. The other changes were done for durability. That said, I along with many others predicted the 435/400 long before it was announced because that is where the changes (if you are familiar with building motors and making power) would put it. So it is not as though it is capable of making 450+ as is in stock form but they dialed it back. I know a lot of people expected 450+ but without more factory modifications, that ain't happening.

From there the logic of holding it back (granted it's not, but humoring you) doesn't make sense. That would put Ford in a perpetual cycle of having to hold back power. They wouldn't want to raise it next year because then they'd be stuck with 2015 inventory and so on.

3point7

As an S197 owner I personally do not find it dated. I think the 2010 to 2014 car is an instant classic design that will never fall out of favor or desirability. Having said that, I also agree that a lot of the negative fervor surrounding the S550 is just so much nonsense. I have not as yet driven an S550 in GT trim but given the performance I experienced in the Ecoboost model I find no reason to cast negative comments on the car. It's an excellent performer and I can see it easily becoming a stellar performer as the aftermarket comes online for the car. As you correctly point out, looks is one thing. I personally am not a big fan of the front end design. But I will never say the car doesn't haul a** and handle good because it absolutely does. Once the aftermarket addresses the wheel hop issue (as much as it can be addressed) I think the GT will be a world class car with no problem.

m05fastbackGT

Well all the negativity about the S-197 is getting really old in the tooth as well !

3point7

Well, most of that has come from some dude who's screen name is a crappy mid-engine Pontiac from the 1980's and he has been thoroughly shown to be clueless about his claims. lol

SteelTownStang

You're quite the self-proclaimed prognosticator. Any chance that you were in Punxsutawney recently? Who's to say that there will not be more "factory modifications." Another prediction? Sure, Ford maintaining the same HP/TQ levels for the entire S550 run makes sense (granted, it's not, but humoring you). You wrongly assume that I'm talking about the 5.0, when I clearly only referred to the S550... Put down that crystal ball, or you'll be in a perpetual cycle of holding back a sense of reality

m05fastbackGT

As another S-197 owner ! I also don't agree with some of the negative comments being made, as I continue getting compliments on my 2006 GT even though it's going on 9 years old.. But it's just as you said the S-197's are instant classics that will never fall out of favor nor desirability and I couldn't agree more with you just as many others who also don't look at the S-197 as being dated who continue to give the thumbs up even to this day..

As for the S550 is concerned, I believe most are also fully aware that I've posted nothing but positive feedback about the new 2015 Mustang and have done so by giving congrats to each member on these forums that post pics of their new S550 models..

JeffreyDJ

I don't know if we should be flattered or scared of your twisted fantasies.

m05fastbackGT

I know exactly whom your referring to.. And I did respond in regards to his ignorant comments and ridiculous claims !

Low08

I would have to agree with this reply 100% as the true combination of muscle car and sports car have finally met in the middle! Have you seen the numbers when modified? It is always a give and take no matter what anyway. Personally I wait for a good low mileage yuppy thought I could handle it trade in anyhow......so time is on my side!