StangNut

Definitely disappointed, but not enough to keep me from buying one.

Astenax

Lol at all the GT owners that suddenly dont care about a few tenths of a second in the 1/4 mile "thats a huge gap in the 1/4 btw". Maybe you guys should be driving Toyota Corollas! 😂😂 ....Sad to see this type of thinking. Its this kind of thinking that ruins great cars! If nobody bought this new car, Ford would overhaul it and next year it would be faster and better looking! But as long as there are individuals willing to give up there money for junk.. These automakers are more than happy to sell you junk!

laserred38

If the S550 didn't lose weight, I don't see how the Camaro will, especially seeing the spy shots showing the car to be about the same exact size as the current car.

MRGTX

I have been following the spy shots and leaked info...yes, the spy shots show very familiar sheet metal but I haven't seen anything that gives a hint of size/weight. Have you seen a source predicting anything other than a smaller car with a big weight loss?

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...py-photos-news

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...maro-spy-shots

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...he-2016-camaro

laserred38

How many sources predicted a smaller car with a huge weight loss for the 2015 Mustang..............

Boomer

A lot of assumptions.
It has to be designed for vert applications and high HP/Torque from the SS, Z28, ZL1 type of variants.

It'll need more bracing and structural upgrades.
4 doors also have different structural needs compared to a 2 door.
Can't say whether or not it meets those requirements right now, but taking in the weight it is now, I doubt it (personally).

tacbear

Let's wait and see what Evan Smith can get out of it!!!!

5.M0NSTER

That's true, but the S550 gained weight due to IRS. The Camaro already had that, so I'd say it has better chances of loosing (or at least not gaining) weight than the S550 did.

5.M0NSTER

^ This! This is exactly why I got my '14 GT TP in the first place. Best lb/HP I could find under $35k. 3618lbs / 420hp = 8.6lb/HP

stupidgenius36

I thought so...thanks for proving that point quickly and easily.

The majority of owners will not make a single mod to their Mustang. But they do care how fast it is on paper, simply for bragging rights. I'd even bet there's a good chunk of buyers that base their decision (Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, etc.) solely on which one is faster...even if it is only by 1/10th.

I'm not impressed by the exterior. The interior is nothing special. And now the performance is disappointing. Overall, I find everything about the 2015 underwhelming. After seeing it in person recently at a show, and noticing the lack of crowd around it, I'd say a good chunk of the general population feels the same way...

RandyW

Is it just me, or does it seem like the people who are the harshest critics of the 2015 are people who already have a late-model Mustang? It's like listening to a retiree pound the table and tell you how the whole industry has gone to hell since they left the workforce.

tom281

Not really it's more like wishing for vast improvement over the outgoing model and not receiving it. Better looking exterior? Debatable. Nicer interior? Depends on your definition of nice; and also what your expectation is for your purchase. Better technology? Definitely. Better street manners? Probably. Better all around performance? Maybe. Faster acceleration? Nope.

Fox9350

I'd be careful assuming this car is slower than the outgoing in the quarter. One of the mags (MT) got 12.8 @112 and we've seen some videos surfacing of high 12s low 13s but with good trap speeds....113 I saw on m6g....We have no idea yet what the variables are, in fact some of the videos state they were driven straight from a dealer and they have 20" wheels, which means they are probably loaded with options running on 87 octane and not yet broken in. I am pretty sure this car is about equal to the outgoing model and once people learn to launch with the IRS and the cars are broken in you'll see mid to high 12s are the norm from those who can drive. Plus it is faster on the track as Ford keeps stating it beats the Boss

RedCandy5.0

If you believe some of the dyno runs, CJ got 412hp and Steeda got 392hp on 93 octane. You never seen a previous gen car get those #'s stock. Revolution got 386hp on 87. The trap #'s are stronger also.

Garbone

[QUOTE=RandyW;6859946]Is it just me, or does it seem like the people who are the harshest critics of the 2015 are people who already have a late-model Mustang? It's like listening to a retiree pound the table and tell you how the whole industry has gone to hell since they left the workforce.[/QUOT

Been saying this for months, and still believe it.
I ordered mine on looks, and the promise of the IRS. I plan on doing the mods we all have grown to know and love.
Give me the difference between the SS with the 1le package, and my new 'Stang will beat the Camaro...they are def. more expensive. About $3K.

5.M0NSTER

Doubt it. 2 seconds would be very hard to make up around the Streets of Willow. The IRS in the 2015 and the extra engine mods made the 2015 1.4 faster on that track than the 2014, but to make up another 2s with just suspension mods would be a tall order.

MRGTX

Yes! This is typical with every new generation of a beloved car. People become emotionally invested in their own version and it's sometimes easier to find faults with the new version rather than facing the cognitive dissonance that comes with admitting faults in the car that you have been praising for a long time.

That said, some of us (yours truly for example) are in a position (both emotionally and financially) to buy the new car but need to weigh the value of the improvements...and seeing disappointments like this are sometimes enough to make the purchase less enticing.

I dig the S550s a lot. The styling is great, interiors are beautiful, new version of the already spectacular Coyote sounds like a win...but all of the promises upon which I based my plans of actually buying one have been met with fail.

Lighter? Nope
Smaller? Nope
Faster in the quarter? Nope
More sportscar-like in driving experience? Nope
End of Wheelhop issues with modern suspension? NOPE
A huge leap in road course performance? Nope

Buying one? Nope
(at least not yet...)

RandyW

It sounds like the changes in suspension and steering DO give it more of a sports car feel. But I take your point. In most respects the difference between the 2011-14 and the 2015 is not night-and-day. Just about everything has been improved but the scale of the improvement is not huge. After having put a few thousand dollars into customizing my 2011 I'm in no hurry at all to replace mine with a new one, either.

My point wasn't that everyone should be super enthused about the 2015 and rush out and buy one. It's that the people who are using words like trash and junk to describe the 2015 are probably not being very objective because their ego is so tied up in the car they just bought in the last few years. It's like the people who absolutely dump on the Camaro. I have reasons for preferring the Mustang but I don't think that the Camaro is garbage and that the people who buy them are mentally defective. They just have slightly different taste than me.

MRGTX

I pretty much agree with all of this.

David Young

I'll buy one in a few more years. I've had my 2011 for 4 years and 5 months and only have 21,200 miles.

With the extra weight of the IRS, i don't see why Ford didn't try to get the weight distribution 50% front and 50% rear? That would have been something to 'brag about', in my opinion