2011 Mustang Power Seat Track Inoperative!
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I Was Not Thinking About Space /Access Considerations so Much as Far as That Connection. Sorry. I Was Looking At Bare Track!
In Regards to Simply Disconnecting Battery. It Should Be Done But Only After Depowering Air Bags as Described in SRS PDF. Also Consider When Disconnecting Battery That Windows Unless Rolled Down Won't Allow You To Shut Doors Properly Due To Window Drop Down Feature.
Also Whenever Disconnecting Battery Some Things Will Be Reset Such as PCM/ECM Emission System. That is Always a Consideration Here in California When Say You Had a Emission Check Due and Car Had Dead Battery. After Replacing a Drive Cycle Would Have To Be Completed Which is Some On Off Regular Driving over a Couple of Days For The Most Part. Car Functions Fine But Simply can Not Be Checked Correctly For The Smog Check. Anyway Just an Example. Unless Car Has Some Other Module Issue Everything Resets and Goes Back To Normal After Driving Usually. Just an FYI!
Also on a Side Note Sometimes When a Module Related Issue Pops Up a Simple Battery Disconnect For 5 Minutes or So Can Fix Issue. In The Case of Your Seat Track I Would Not Call That Module Controlled To My Knowledge But Thought You Might Ask!
Disconnecting the car battery does not automatically disable airbags, but it is a crucial safety precaution when working on airbag systems. While the battery is disconnected, the airbags can still be triggered by stored energy in capacitors within the system, even if the vehicle is not running. To safely work on airbags, it's essential to disconnect the battery, wait for capacitors to discharge, and follow manufacturer's guidelines.
Having Worked at Dealerships For 30+ Years I Always Especially When it Comes To A Safety Issue Go With The Factory Advised Process. An Old Habit Which Has Served Me Well. Surely at Times Others Have Done Work Which Allowed Some Short Cuts away From Factory Advised Process But I Feel You Need To Advise & Inform Taht Sometimes Shortcuts Can Have Bad Results.
See Post 31 FOR SRS Depower
If You Just want a Quick Look At That one Connection I Was Talking About Then Removing The 4 Bolts From The Track To The Floor Could Allow You Some More Visual Access To Connector. However If You Want To Go Ahead and Remove Seat From Car & Will Be Unhooking Everything Then a Depower Sequence Should Be Followed.
If You Decide To Do The Removal or Flip Forward Some Pics Might Provide Some Clues To Issue. Maybe, Maybe Not.
I Know You Had Kind of Stepped Back & Was Going To Let Dealer Check Out and That is Fine, I Just Had This What I Thought Would Be a Quick Little Check!
Whichever Way you Go we Will Be Here!
KC
I Was Not Thinking About Space /Access Considerations so Much as Far as That Connection. Sorry. I Was Looking At Bare Track!
In Regards to Simply Disconnecting Battery. It Should Be Done But Only After Depowering Air Bags as Described in SRS PDF. Also Consider When Disconnecting Battery That Windows Unless Rolled Down Won't Allow You To Shut Doors Properly Due To Window Drop Down Feature.
Also Whenever Disconnecting Battery Some Things Will Be Reset Such as PCM/ECM Emission System. That is Always a Consideration Here in California When Say You Had a Emission Check Due and Car Had Dead Battery. After Replacing a Drive Cycle Would Have To Be Completed Which is Some On Off Regular Driving over a Couple of Days For The Most Part. Car Functions Fine But Simply can Not Be Checked Correctly For The Smog Check. Anyway Just an Example. Unless Car Has Some Other Module Issue Everything Resets and Goes Back To Normal After Driving Usually. Just an FYI!
Also on a Side Note Sometimes When a Module Related Issue Pops Up a Simple Battery Disconnect For 5 Minutes or So Can Fix Issue. In The Case of Your Seat Track I Would Not Call That Module Controlled To My Knowledge But Thought You Might Ask!
Disconnecting the car battery does not automatically disable airbags, but it is a crucial safety precaution when working on airbag systems. While the battery is disconnected, the airbags can still be triggered by stored energy in capacitors within the system, even if the vehicle is not running. To safely work on airbags, it's essential to disconnect the battery, wait for capacitors to discharge, and follow manufacturer's guidelines.
Having Worked at Dealerships For 30+ Years I Always Especially When it Comes To A Safety Issue Go With The Factory Advised Process. An Old Habit Which Has Served Me Well. Surely at Times Others Have Done Work Which Allowed Some Short Cuts away From Factory Advised Process But I Feel You Need To Advise & Inform Taht Sometimes Shortcuts Can Have Bad Results.
See Post 31 FOR SRS Depower
If You Just want a Quick Look At That one Connection I Was Talking About Then Removing The 4 Bolts From The Track To The Floor Could Allow You Some More Visual Access To Connector. However If You Want To Go Ahead and Remove Seat From Car & Will Be Unhooking Everything Then a Depower Sequence Should Be Followed.
If You Decide To Do The Removal or Flip Forward Some Pics Might Provide Some Clues To Issue. Maybe, Maybe Not.
I Know You Had Kind of Stepped Back & Was Going To Let Dealer Check Out and That is Fine, I Just Had This What I Thought Would Be a Quick Little Check!
Whichever Way you Go we Will Be Here!
KC
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I Was in Dealership Parts For Most of My Working Life. I Have Owned Many Cars Over My Life & Did Most of My Own Work on Them. Most of My Hands on Was in My Earlier Years on Cars of The 60's & 70's. I Did Go to Automotive School in The Early 80's and Worked a few Mechanic Jobs But Found FORD Parts was My Calling.
As Far as The Seat Lift Yes. You Could Simply Remove The Four Bolts and Should Get a Bit More Visual. I Would Just Like To See That One Plug is Snapped In Tight and No Wires Look Out of Place. Really Don't Know How Much it will Let you Lift.
KC
As Far as The Seat Lift Yes. You Could Simply Remove The Four Bolts and Should Get a Bit More Visual. I Would Just Like To See That One Plug is Snapped In Tight and No Wires Look Out of Place. Really Don't Know How Much it will Let you Lift.
KC
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I Was in Dealership Parts For Most of My Working Life. I Have Owned Many Cars Over My Life & Did Most of My Own Work on Them. Most of My Hands on Was in My Earlier Years on Cars of The 60's & 70's. I Did Go to Automotive School in The Early 80's and Worked a few Mechanic Jobs But Found FORD Parts was My Calling.
As Far as The Seat Lift Yes. You Could Simply Remove The Four Bolts and Should Get a Bit More Visual. I Would Just Like To See That One Plug is Snapped In Tight and No Wires Look Out of Place. Really Don't Know How Much it will Let you Lift.
KC
As Far as The Seat Lift Yes. You Could Simply Remove The Four Bolts and Should Get a Bit More Visual. I Would Just Like To See That One Plug is Snapped In Tight and No Wires Look Out of Place. Really Don't Know How Much it will Let you Lift.
KC
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My Short Answer is The Newer The Car The More Electronics Doing Things and The More Things You Have The Greater The Chance of Some System Failure. The More Complex The Car The More Special Tools are Needed To Do a Repair. The First Gen S-197 is That Much Simpler Than The Second Gen Like You Have in Regards To Climate Control & Entertainment Systems While Some Things are The Same For Example Your Seat Track. So The Newer They Get The Harder & More Expensive it is To Repair Certain Systems on Your Own!
They Have Been trying To Keep us Out of The Tinkering Hobby Since The 80's When They Said The Hood Would Just Be Welded Shut at Some Point! That Threat Never Happened But They Keep Heading Towards Making it Very Difficult To Do Your Own Work.
Here in California We Still Have To Smog Check Back To 1975. So We Have More Pre 1975 Cars on The Road Per Se Than 1975-1990 as Keeping Them Compliant Simply is Not Cost Effective. Also We Can Only Do Very Limited Engine Mods Unless They are California Air Resources Board Approved.
Many Newer Cars Are Becoming Disposable These Days When A Minor Accident Causes a Total Just Due The Expense of Airbag Deployment on a Cheaper Car !
The Powers That Be Just Keep Grinding Away At Our Car Hobby!
As Far as Comparing US Vs Euro Cars I Just Don't Know.
KC
They Have Been trying To Keep us Out of The Tinkering Hobby Since The 80's When They Said The Hood Would Just Be Welded Shut at Some Point! That Threat Never Happened But They Keep Heading Towards Making it Very Difficult To Do Your Own Work.
Here in California We Still Have To Smog Check Back To 1975. So We Have More Pre 1975 Cars on The Road Per Se Than 1975-1990 as Keeping Them Compliant Simply is Not Cost Effective. Also We Can Only Do Very Limited Engine Mods Unless They are California Air Resources Board Approved.
Many Newer Cars Are Becoming Disposable These Days When A Minor Accident Causes a Total Just Due The Expense of Airbag Deployment on a Cheaper Car !
The Powers That Be Just Keep Grinding Away At Our Car Hobby!
As Far as Comparing US Vs Euro Cars I Just Don't Know.
KC
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My Short Answer is The Newer The Car The More Electronics Doing Things and The More Things You Have The Greater The Chance of Some System Failure. The More Complex The Car The More Special Tools are Needed To Do a Repair. The First Gen S-197 is That Much Simpler Than The Second Gen Like You Have in Regards To Climate Control & Entertainment Systems While Some Things are The Same For Example Your Seat Track. So The Newer They Get The Harder & More Expensive it is To Repair Certain Systems on Your Own!
They Have Been trying To Keep us Out of The Tinkering Hobby Since The 80's When They Said The Hood Would Just Be Welded Shut at Some Point! That Threat Never Happened But They Keep Heading Towards Making it Very Difficult To Do Your Own Work.
Here in California We Still Have To Smog Check Back To 1975. So We Have More Pre 1975 Cars on The Road Per Se Than 1975-1990 as Keeping Them Compliant Simply is Not Cost Effective. Also We Can Only Do Very Limited Engine Mods Unless They are California Air Resources Board Approved.
Many Newer Cars Are Becoming Disposable These Days When A Minor Accident Causes a Total Just Due The Expense of Airbag Deployment on a Cheaper Car !
The Powers That Be Just Keep Grinding Away At Our Car Hobby!
As Far as Comparing US Vs Euro Cars I Just Don't Know.
KC
They Have Been trying To Keep us Out of The Tinkering Hobby Since The 80's When They Said The Hood Would Just Be Welded Shut at Some Point! That Threat Never Happened But They Keep Heading Towards Making it Very Difficult To Do Your Own Work.
Here in California We Still Have To Smog Check Back To 1975. So We Have More Pre 1975 Cars on The Road Per Se Than 1975-1990 as Keeping Them Compliant Simply is Not Cost Effective. Also We Can Only Do Very Limited Engine Mods Unless They are California Air Resources Board Approved.
Many Newer Cars Are Becoming Disposable These Days When A Minor Accident Causes a Total Just Due The Expense of Airbag Deployment on a Cheaper Car !
The Powers That Be Just Keep Grinding Away At Our Car Hobby!
As Far as Comparing US Vs Euro Cars I Just Don't Know.
KC
It's been a long time since I've written here, and I now have new information. I had a workshop appointment on June 2nd and took my Mustang to Ford. They've now found the cause and informed me that the seat rail, meaning the complete mechanism, is broken. The motors still work, though. They said they can't repair it as is and there are no parts available for it. A completely new seat rail has to be installed. They contacted Ford USA and said they need to research and find out the cost: delivery fees, customs, and so on. They mentioned it's currently very difficult to get spare parts from the USA due to bottlenecks, customs policies, and so forth.
Okay, to get straight to the point: they called me earlier and told me that a new seat rail, including installation and all other costs, would be 2400 dollars. I've looked for alternatives, but there are hardly any real options, for example, independent workshops. As I mentioned before, here we have to wait 4-6 weeks for a workshop appointment. It's also hard to find someone who could repair the rail for me, like a tinkerer, because most people here don't know anything about US cars. I think I have no choice but to bite the bullet and authorize the repair.
I have my technical inspection in October, which we have to go to every two years to get the operating permit for our car. The seat rail simply has to be repaired by October.
Time is also running out a bit for me, and by the way, the delivery will take 6 to 8 weeks. Unfortunately, things here in Germany are really a bit more complicated with US car spare parts and so on. I just wanted to keep you updated."
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Thanks For The Update! Sorry Things are Getting So Expensive & Problematic. I Hope This Information May Help Things Out a Bit!
I Punched in The Part Number on EBAY Germany. See if These Sellers Will Work For You! Install is Pretty Simple For Just R&R. Anyway Here is What I Found! They Do Come out of The States So You Will Have To Check Shipping Costs From Your Side.
Ebay Germany
https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_nkw=...sid=m570.l1313
Oh And I Just Remembered I Used To Sell GT-500 Kits To This Gentleman named Volker in Germany. It's Been Since 2009 I Had Contact & Barely Remembered The Specifics. I Think They Do Repairs as Well. Might Check it Out! Don't Have any Idea on Location From You!
https://www.uscars24.de/Englisch/Hub.html
KC
https://www.uscars24.de/Deutsch/Service/Kontakt.html
The Last Email is Volkers Heinmen I Believe. He if Wonders How You Heard of Him Just Tell Him GT-500 Conversion Guy KC
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I Punched in The Part Number on EBAY Germany. See if These Sellers Will Work For You! Install is Pretty Simple For Just R&R. Anyway Here is What I Found! They Do Come out of The States So You Will Have To Check Shipping Costs From Your Side.
Ebay Germany
https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_nkw=...sid=m570.l1313
Oh And I Just Remembered I Used To Sell GT-500 Kits To This Gentleman named Volker in Germany. It's Been Since 2009 I Had Contact & Barely Remembered The Specifics. I Think They Do Repairs as Well. Might Check it Out! Don't Have any Idea on Location From You!
https://www.uscars24.de/Englisch/Hub.html
KC
https://www.uscars24.de/Deutsch/Service/Kontakt.html
The Last Email is Volkers Heinmen I Believe. He if Wonders How You Heard of Him Just Tell Him GT-500 Conversion Guy KC
@Drive707
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Thanks For The Update! Sorry Things are Getting So Expensive & Problematic. I Hope This Information May Help Things Out a Bit!
I Punched in The Part Number on EBAY Germany. See if These Sellers Will Work For You! Install is Pretty Simple For Just R&R. Anyway Here is What I Found! They Do Come out of The States So You Will Have To Check Shipping Costs From Your Side.
Ebay Germany
https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_nkw=...sid=m570.l1313
Oh And I Just Remembered I Used To Sell GT-500 Kits To This Gentleman named Volker in Germany. It's Been Since 2009 I Had Contact & Barely Remembered The Specifics. I Think They Do Repairs as Well. Might Check it Out! Don't Have any Idea on Location From You!
https://www.uscars24.de/Englisch/Hub.html
KC
https://www.uscars24.de/Deutsch/Service/Kontakt.html
The Last Email is Volkers Heinmen I Believe. He if Wonders How You Heard of Him Just Tell Him GT-500 Conversion Guy KC
@Drive707
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I Punched in The Part Number on EBAY Germany. See if These Sellers Will Work For You! Install is Pretty Simple For Just R&R. Anyway Here is What I Found! They Do Come out of The States So You Will Have To Check Shipping Costs From Your Side.
Ebay Germany
https://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_nkw=...sid=m570.l1313
Oh And I Just Remembered I Used To Sell GT-500 Kits To This Gentleman named Volker in Germany. It's Been Since 2009 I Had Contact & Barely Remembered The Specifics. I Think They Do Repairs as Well. Might Check it Out! Don't Have any Idea on Location From You!
https://www.uscars24.de/Englisch/Hub.html
KC
https://www.uscars24.de/Deutsch/Service/Kontakt.html
The Last Email is Volkers Heinmen I Believe. He if Wonders How You Heard of Him Just Tell Him GT-500 Conversion Guy KC
@Drive707
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Just a Thought, Make Sure & Get Old Track Back. Maybe Able To Use Some Pieces Off of It If The Passenger Side Has an Issue! Or Sell on Ebay as a PARTS ONLY Sale & Recoup Some Money.
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