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Old 4/9/13, 11:25 AM
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Any idea where I can get a cheap 2011-2012 cruise switch to take apart?
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Will be a bit of work to make it look good. At least it is a square cutout that is needed.

Have you tested the switch? Does it work?
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Any idea where I can get a cheap 2011-2012 cruise switch to take apart?
They are pretty cheap new. $20 maybe?
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I am at work. Will test tonight.
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Do either one of you Gentlement have any electronics experiance? I may be able to assist you in getting the disired information you want to display on your screen. This would be reading the information from the OBD line of traffic, and re-introducing it on the MS-CAN network using a seperate microcontroller. As far as the Track Apps are concerned, I have it on good.. well knowledge, that the application itself is embeded into the gauge microcontroller, it just neeeds to be activated at Key On

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Do either one of you Gentlement have any electronics experiance? I may be able to assist you in getting the disired information you want to display on your screen. This would be reading the information from the OBD line of traffic, and re-introducing it on the MS-CAN network using a seperate microcontroller. As far as the Track Apps are concerned, I have it on good.. well knowledge, that the application itself is embeded into the gauge microcontroller, it just neeeds to be activated at Key On

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No experience here but glad to have you in this thread ... Apparantly SCT can't turn off PATS so I have been starting my Car with 2012 cluster and then swapping in the 2013 cluster while car is running. Are you thinking the track apps will be enabled once I have the PATS relearned and I start the car with the 2013 cluster installed? Or is there more too it than that?
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Absolutely would love assistance. At this point, I just want to confirm that the directional/ok buttons work and that cruise works or not.

Are you thinking the track apps will be enabled once I have the PATS relearned and I start the car with the 2013 cluster installed? Or is there more too it than that?
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Originally Posted by zeroaviation
Do either one of you Gentlement have any electronics experiance? I may be able to assist you in getting the disired information you want to display on your screen. This would be reading the information from the OBD line of traffic, and re-introducing it on the MS-CAN network using a seperate microcontroller. As far as the Track Apps are concerned, I have it on good.. well knowledge, that the application itself is embeded into the gauge microcontroller, it just neeeds to be activated at Key On

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OMG we finally got a real engineer on here! Is there a way to reprogram the cruise control in the PCM?
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I love this thread!
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Also, will dowloading the 'as built' data onto the 2013 cluster disable all the functions like Track Apps and the like?
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My cluster is here! $46 in brokerage fees + $25 shipping! Yay!
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My service manager at my local Ford dealership (he's very knowledage and helped me with the nav retrofit) figures that as built data will NOT need to be uploaded into the new cluster, and that PATS will not be an issue.

I now have the diagrams I needed. Just need to go over them.
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Originally Posted by jim010
My service manager at my local Ford dealership (he's very knowledage and helped me with the nav retrofit) figures that as built data will NOT need to be uploaded into the new cluster, and that PATS will not be an issue.

I now have the diagrams I needed. Just need to go over them.
Thats good to hear .. so you are going to leave the 2013 as built data in the cluster? I have read that when the technician does the PATS Relearn .. he should tell the system the PCM was replaced and not the Cluster. If the tech tells the software that the relearn is for a replaced cluster then it will want to reload the as built data.

I was able to test the buttons ...

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OK, here it is:

2012

-to the clockspring (c2274a)

Pin 1 - airbag driver 1
pin 2 - airbag driver 2
Pin 3 - unused
Pin 4 - switch Audio w/ SYNC 2 -
Pin 5 - ground cross car beam
Pin 6 - switch Audio /w SYNC 2 +
Pin 7 - unused
Pin 8 - horn
Pin 9 - airbag driver 1
Pin 10 - airbag driver 2
Pin 11 - unused
Pin 12 - switch audio 1 -
Pin 13 - switch audio 1 +
Pin 14 - cruise control command return
Pin 15 - cruise control command
Pin 16 - illumination


2013

-to the clockspring (c2274a)

Pin 1 - airbag driver 1
pin 2 - airbag driver 2
Pin 3 - switch info
Pin 4 - switch Audio w/ SYNC 2 -
Pin 5 - ground cross car beam
Pin 6 - switch Audio /w SYNC 2 +
Pin 7 - unused
Pin 8 - horn
Pin 9 - airbag driver 1
Pin 10 - airbag driver 2
Pin 11 - switch info
Pin 12 - switch audio 1 -
Pin 13 - switch audio 1 +
Pin 14 - cruise control command return
Pin 15 - cruise control command
Pin 16 - illumination


2012

-from clockspring (c2274a) to clockspring (c2274b)

Pin 1 - horn
Pin 2 - unused
Pin 3 - bluetooth
Pin 4 - ground cross car beam
Pin 5 - climate sensors and generic vref return in logistical schematics
Pin 6 - unused
Pin 7 - illumination
Pin 8 - cruise control command
Pin 9 - cruise control command return
Pin 10 - audio pwr
Pin 11 - audio return
Pin 12 - unused


2013

-from clockspring (c2274a) to clockspring (c2274b)

Pin 1 - horn
Pin 2 - unused
Pin 3 - bluetooth
Pin 4 - ground cross car beam
Pin 5 - bluetooth return
Pin 6 - switch info
Pin 7 - illumination
Pin 8 - cruise control command
Pin 9 - cruise control command return
Pin 10 - audio pwr
Pin 11 - audio return
Pin 12 - switch info


2012

- from clockspring (c2274b) to left steering wheel switches (c2998)

Pin 1 - illumination
Pin 2 - cruise control command
Pin 3 - cruise control command return
Pin 4 - ground cross car beam
Pin 5 - horn
Pin 6 - unused
Pin 7 - unused
Pin 8 - unused
Pin 9 - unused
Pin 10 - unused


2013

- from clockspring (c2274b) to left steering wheel switches (c2998)

Pin 1 - cruise control command return
Pin 2 - switch info
Pin 3 - switch info
Pin 4 - unused
Pin 5 - unused
Pin 6 - ground
Pin 7 - cruise control command
Pin 8 - illumination
Pin 9 - unused
Pin 10 - unused
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No track apps ...

Oh well, not a deal breaker for me. I spent not much on the cluster. Just want cruise to work right.
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What the heck is switch info? You have steering wheel harness side of clockspring to see where switch info goes?
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So no chance at all of track apps?
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Oh duh. Switch info is the 4-way ok button.
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Originally Posted by dmhines
Thats good to hear .. so you are going to leave the 2013 as built data in the cluster? I have read that when the technician does the PATS Relearn .. he should tell the system the PCM was replaced and not the Cluster. If the tech tells the software that the relearn is for a replaced cluster then it will want to reload the as built data.
He wasn't 100% sure. He did say that I should have the VIN the cluster came out of handy, as if there is an issue, he can look at the lines of code and tackle it from there. That would be more trouble than its worth, though.
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I got muy service guy to print off the cruise control with resistor values. I have different values than below for a 2013, assuming I'm reading it right.

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The PCM controls the cruise functions based on the voltage signal it receives.

2011
Off: Short
On: 2.11 K
Set -: 300
Set +: 600
Res: 1.11 K
Cncl: N/A

2013

Off: Short
On: Short
Set -: 120
Set +: 300
Res: 600
Cncl: 600

That only leaves 3 options:
1) Modify the switch to give the correct signals.
2) Modify the PCM programming to accept the signals you send.
3) Swap in a 2013 PCM, harness, and clock spring.
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