dmhines

I plan on leaving all the 2012 buttons in place .. both setup buttons and cruise buttons. I'll then put my OK momentary switch next to the setup buttons on the dash.

I think the SJB does control the signal for the Cruise Control illumination on the cluster .. so it may be worth while updating the SJB with 2013 AS BUILT if possible.

jim010

If I am forced to keep the old switch, I will customize the hadlight switch to take the directional buttons.

dmhines

Installed my "OK" button today ...

INFO+SETUP = LEFT
INFO = UP
RESET = RIGHT
SETUP =DOWN
2.110K Resistance Button = OK

jim010

That is not bad.

I haven't given up on programming the PCM. If my guy can't come up with anything, then I hope zeroaviation can do something.

But as I said before, I'm keeping it.

dmhines

I'll keep my eyes open for a PCM. I can live without track apps for now. I'll hold onto my 2013 buttons and steering wheel.

Between the cluster and odometer and PATS and 2013 switches its getting expensive. Throw a PCM and more tech hours on top of that and it's getting even more expensive.

jim010

Yup. It is getting to the point where I might as well have ordered the cluster from Ford.

Steven

Would they have even sold it to you. I wonder if you had if it would have come "Plug in play" out of the box.

Steven

Also, would a PCM reprogram be required, or could a small circuit be created between the cruise control switch and the PCM to translate the new signals into the old signals?

jim010

They may not have sold it to me, just like the nav. And even if they did, I'd still have the same issues.

Zeroaviation thinks he could rig something. He just hasn't found a cluster to play with yet.

Steven

The more I think about it, the more I'm not sure I'd trust a circuit I'd rig up myself with the cruise control. I'd be deathly afraid I wouldn't be able to control the acceleration.

The directional buttons in a 2013 light switch housing seems like a fair trade off though.

Greg2011

I'm wondering, on the brake pedal position switch, if you interupt the yellow-green wire without energizing the violet-white wire, would the cruise cancel without activating the brake lights?

dmhines

The cluster can be had for pretty cheap online ... However .. I do believe there is either a $300 or $400 core charge. Not sure if they would take a 2012 Cluster as a core for a 2013 cluster.

INSTRUMENT CLUSTER Mustang; 5.0L; GT; 4 Gauge Cluster; From 3/23/11
MSRP Core ? Online Price
$334.02 $0.00 $238.82

INSTRUMENT CLUSTER Mustang; 5.0L; Boss; All
MSRP Core ? Online Price
$575.03 $0.00 $411.15

dmhines

My cluster with updated ODOMETER is on its way back from United Radio ... set up appointment with Ford TEch for Friday Morning to get it installed.

COYOTEHP

Nice. Can't wait to see results.

jim010

dmhines, in the engineering test mode on the cluster, all the codes can be seen along with all the guage tests. Might be useful to your tech. Also, when it checks the lights, cruise does indeed light up.

You can enter the test mode by holding down the OK button before start up and holding it down when you turn the car on. Keep the button pressed until engineering test mode comes up, then let go. Cycle through the test screens using the ok button.

Nothing new from my tech guy. One week now with the new cluster and no issues. I mostly use the trip guage and fuel economy, so I don't really use the others anyway.

dmhines

Thanks. I an going to tell tech to update cluster, BCM, and SJB with 2013 as built if he can. Hopefully that fixes cruise indicator.

jim010

If you are updating with 2013 data, you will need the 2013 switch handy. I don't think the old cruise will work properly otherwise.

Did you tech say that he is able to dowload 2013 data into your car?

dmhines

Tech didnt get a chance to try. I am not updating PCM so I'm thinking 2012 cruise switches will still work.

dmhines

OK .. just got back from Dealer.

Tech here had no problem manually loading 2013 AS BUILT. I had him update the Cluster, SJB and Body Module with AS BUILT from a 2013 car equipped same as mine.

However .. none of those updates changed anything.

1) Track Apps has displays .. but nothing working
2) Additional Gauges not working
3) Cruise Illumination not working.

Apparently the 2013 PCM is going to be required for a full retrofit.

One thing I noticed is after the tech loaded the 2013 AS BUILT into my cluster .. I now have REAR PARKING AID option to turn on and off ... I don't have those sensors in my car but I do see in my trunk where the harness plugs in if I ever wanted to add them.

I'll keep my eyes open for a used 2013 PCM out of a GT .. and maybe try that one of these days ... unless Jim or Zero get to it before me.

zeroaviation

Interesting finds.

Easiest way to get this done is finding a KWC2 or WYN3 PCM and then re-learn pats after install. Looking at the two tunes, there are some differences, mostly in timing tables. So you could run the stock 13 tune, but I would NOT recommend it. This is due to the 13+ coyotes not having oil squirters.

The 2011 - 14 PCM's are the same hardware (mostly anyway) just different Firmware (sorta). You could get the firmware changed, but doing this would be difficult as Ford has some limitation on what Techs can and cannot do at the dealership.

I'm still researching as I get time, and digging for a cluster.

PCM WYN3 from ford $464 plus $100 core. If you already had the SCT tuner, might be worth it.

I wish SCT would get off their *** and fix the PATS disable function on 12 and newer PCM's.

-Matt