I'll let ya have your thread back after this I promise .

Don't get my intent mixed I never said nor implied anyone chasing anything. It's the first supercharged camaro, yes, and I'm quite sure we only have it because of the GT500 anyone who says different drinks from that special brew. I Damned sure ain't ashamed, just glad GM finally jumped into the supercharger game.

Yep, those were the...what's the word....it starts with an f and rhymes with fanboy I think....... I always wanted GM to boost theirs, and my love for blower whine on this forum should be already known.

Please explain this one. Unless you mean comparing a factory SC Ford to non factory GM where do you get this from? All comprable blower packages I've seen closely match the factory spread.
Vortech 5.0- 605 horse 7.5-8.5 PSI (on their site)
Vortech 6.2- 625 horse 6.5-7.5 PSI (on their site).
That's pretty much the same (PSI numbers are lower for the LS3 but since the cylinders are bigger I'm sure the amount of air packed in the cylinders is the same). Cant find specs for both whipple 2.9's on their site (680 for the LS3 nothing on the 5.0 yet and I go with manufacturer data not tuner packages) or on Magnussons site but I don't suspect they'll be too much different. Given the different advertisements from tuners they seem about the same set up for stock motors. Which btw to me is irrelevant anyway because neither of them built them to be boosted (GT500 and LSA/9 aside) otherwise they wouldn't drop your warranty with just a tune. My take on it though, is the headflow disparity equals the displacement disparity so on paper I would expect both to perform similarly boosted to the same PSI on built bottom ends and proper supporting mods. N/A is a different story all together.

This comming from anyone else on this site but you would probably not illicit a response from me (well a couple others), but I can't count the number of times you posted threads or even mentioned in other threads, many many many times over, any single problem with the Camaro from day one, which was way before any of the TSB stuff for the 5.0's came out. You mentioned several times over desires to create posts on C5 to egg it on yourself. Before you even try to use the "I only do it because they do it" excuse that is the typical bottled response "they" would give as well. In this example alone you have it backwards. You rode the bash the Camaro pony and became silent on the 5.0 teething problems. Pot hello kettle. I am neither before you even try as I never said anything about the 5.0's issues on this or other sites out of the same context as I did with the Camaro being just teething issues with new platforms/motors (well I did say the exact same thing you just did on one of the GM sites and was actually referring to you). If you take it personal attack and report this, sorry truth hurts I'll take that infraction with a smile. But you can't even sit back on that statement. Again before you say it, my feelings hurt? Nope. Almost spit coke out my nose when I read that.

There I'm off my soap box now. You guys can have your thread back, sorry for the interruption.

 

Wonder how much bailout money they used to build this car........... OUCH lol

 

Chevy and Dodge fans should thank Ford for the 2005 Mustang. It brought back the overweight pigs that are the Challenger and Camaro.

 

Yup.

 

No interruption.

Here's my soapbox:

 

I read this in the Autoblog comments:

 

Let me first say I'm simply making a guess in regards to this, so I don't have hard facts or anything to support it. My guess towards the better response of induction statement has to do with displacement. You state in your post that they are nearly the same. Sure, they make the same power, but the Shelby is doing that with less displacement.

All that said, I do agree with you that it's irrelevant. The only way I see this being a relevant factor is the power/weight ratio for the engines. If the ole pushrod is making the same power but weighs less, who cares about the architecture or displacement... same goes for the modular. Anyways, there's my thoughts on the matter. I freaking love this new GT500 and I can't wait for this thing to hit the streets!

 

still searching for lap times:
I found 2012 Boss @ Laguna Seca, 2011 GT500 @ Laguna Seca
I found 2012 Camaro Zl1 @ the Ring
I read the 2013 GT500 been testing and developing at the Ring

Marketing people ALWAYS release data when it's better than other product.
Hence the reason release the information the other day:
"650hp in a car that 270 lighter than the ZL1"

I believe IF the 2013 GT500 was FASTER than the ZL1 at the Ring they would have said that too.

So the search continues....

 

One time on one track make not a better product. :duh: The end.

 

I’m not sure if I read that correctly but the numbers for the 5.0 at 605hp are with the factory air box and not an open filter like the one that the Camaro is using.
It says on their site that using an open filter will yield 20-40hp over the 605hp.
Less restriction less boost.

Considering the 5.0 is down 1.2L mathematically it is making more power.
Makes me wonder what 6.2L coyote could do on boost,750hp+?
Just saying.

 

 

BTW, Al Oppenheiser is the chief engineer on the ZL1. I don't think he is smart enough to be the CEO, even of Government Motors.

 

I thought they both said that with "tuner filters".

On the power levels it's simple, the Stang kits have more boost (Whipple 2.9L kits go up to 10psi GM kits go to like 8.5 ish). I chalk that up to one advantage for the 5.0, in a boosted application, oil squirters. You can add more boost and keep temps in check with them even with the higher compressionwhich I'm sure helps too so long as predetonation is in check. Thus more boost, the only replacement for displacement is boost plain and simple. I'm guessing with equal amounts of boost the CI probably makes a little more, but I can only speculate because I've yet to see two systems put the same psi with numbers to go along with them. Vortech is the only one who put everything about both on their sites that I've seen so far.

 

It's still in the testing /tuning phase right now if I had to take a guess. The ZL1 is a 2012 and about ready to roll out. The GT500 is a 2013 and they are probably dialing in everything still. Just because they added the electronic shocks doesn't mean they got the best combos for it just yet, they got time to work on it. GM had plenty of time too from the time they announced to now to tweak. GM also had the advantage of a very similar car using it's shocks so most of the guess work is done for them, slap them on and tweak a little. If Ford does ring numbers, me personally I wouldn't expect them out until they get the combo right, why rush it's a 2013? Their current Ring testing is probably just that, testing and tweaking not doing a ***** out run yet, I'd venture a bet their numbers right now include more along the lines of lateral G's/entry/exit speeds/traction than overall times. They also have the advantage of knowing what time to beat so they can keep at it until they have it. Probably why GM threw out the gauntlet now when they are still under developement instead of waiting until they come out. The ZL1 can outhandle the GT500 a little and still get a slower time with the power discrepancy I'm sure, so I would have been more careful to challenge ring times unless they knew the GT500 wasn't ready yet.

 

The ZL1 is not a 2012

 

Transformers ARE real!!

 

Um yes it is.......

http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-zl1-sports-car/

 

650hp and 285's on the rear????!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!

 

Ive been saying the same thing. lol The 2011-2012 had traction issues with a 100 less hp.

 

Nope