Pure load of Horse-chit right there. Call the district Manager on them.

 

I understand your frustration, Dreamcar. I want to have this reviewed for you. Please send me a PM with your VIN, dealer, mileage, full name, and best daytime number. I can’t make promises on the results, but I do care about your issue and will do everything I can to help out.

Deysha

 

Deysha- PM already sent...

@KdF- Thanks. I should. Gotta check into just who that would be.

Update: Car's been at the dealer for 27 hours now. We have the Rental provision but dlr seems to be stalling. Called service writer this am and they said they'd call right back after checking. Guess what- it's been 3 hours and now he's out to lunch. By the time I hear back from them, my car will probably be ready to be picked up! Then it's on my own dime as far as getting down there. So tho we were "entitled" to $30 a day under our plan, we have yet again, a bad answer from Ford.

 

Deysha, Id like to ask; What is Ford doing about these issues to ensure it wont be a problem on the upcoming F150.?

The F150 will be utilizing more aluminium in its future model. If they wont or can't address this issue on just hoods, why would we consider the changes on the F150?.
Maybe you could bring this up to somebody high on the ladder. We as consumers are getting more info and feedback on the internet of Fords responses and the way they address our concerns.
Im afraid the sales of the F150 might sink for the first time IF FORD DOESN'T COME OUT publicly and speak about everyones concerns of aluminum corrosion.

 

Thanks, Dreamcar.

The F-150 has had an aluminum hood since at least 2004, UnrealFord. In general, if we detect a quality issue we work to address it as quickly as possible.

Deysha

 

I was referring to the update of the F150.

Next year it will be over 900 lbs lighter with aluminum .
Just take a peek at a Google search and look how broad of a issue they have
. Sorry if it looks like im attacking, but its completely opposite. I work for Ford.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&r...on&v=133247963

 

No, I understand where you’re coming from, UnrealFord. As you already know, we will repair, replace, or adjust those parts that are found to be defective in materials or workmanship during the warranty period with any of our vehicles.

Deysha

 

I'm partial to fords, but... in my opinion, just about every aluminum hood out there will suffer this failure, no matter how well its cared for- most will make it past warranty, but I really think they are almost all going to have the issue unless never rained on.

Like most 4.6 spark plugs will last WAY beyond warranty, yet most will likely have one or more snap off when they have to be changed.

there was a local guy that bought a new shelby gt, the day he got it I showed him my unsalted 3 yr old hood, he caulked his over like the next day- often wonder if it helped or hindered. dunno if he kept the corner drains open, but they are so tiny bet they plug up anyways.
before I ever drive the 09, I'm gonna seal it and fill between the panels with thick paint- might not help as it even has the little blisters here and there, even though with 4 miles its never been on the road, only been washed a few times...I'd do it now, but its still a virgin, sitting safely dry undercover, so its not going anywhere to pick up moisture/spread...I'll leave it alone till time to drive...when my 50k mile 06 was brand new I tore it apart and sealed every crimp on the car, leaving only the lowest drains open, sealed the seams between layers of the front control arms, etc...still like brand new underneath compared to my wifes 15kmile 07. Only thing I didnt seal was the hood because it was aluminum, it was the only spot on the car that weathered except for the wiper arm paint fading.
planned obsolescence is my sincere opinion- still a ford fan but thats how i see it.

 

On the lip now and passed warranty, is the TSB of any count after that ?

 

Mine is the same. I just touched it up as best I could for now. Probably get a new hood in the future.

 

Cleaning and touching up IMO won't work UNLESS the cleaned up metal is treated with a proper prep...I'm not sure, but think phosphoric acid also works for aluminum- read up on it, the stuff is cheap and pretty safe to work with, but if the acid isn't applied to convert any microscopic oxides into something inert, it will usually return, unless painted in zero humidity, which is impossible...

On rusty steel, phosphoric acid converts iron oxide into iron phosphate, and seals the surface with a oxidation-proof coating, but not waterproof-still needs painted...pick up a small bottle of ospho from Ace hardware for about 8 bucks, sand a piece of scrap metal, brush some ospho on half and sit it out overnight...in a day the untreated side will be rusting, by 3 days will be completely orange...the ospho side won't show rust for a couple weeks. If you ospho, clean, paint, the steel won't rust for decades...if you paint over "just cleaned" pitted steel, usually blisters will appear within a couple years tops-faster on aluminum.

Acid prep IMO won't save paint over a razor edge piece of metal, the sharp edge invites breaks in the paint, once ANY moisture can get in, oxidation will creep under...in my opinion "iron contamination" excuse Ford offered is wrong-I think the problem is they painted over a edge that wasn't deburred before crimping, and even the slightest panel shift(heat/vibration-it IS a hood...) will break the paint at the sharp edge, and its gone from there.

I really think scotch brite buffing of the edge of the crimped edge(not the edge of the hood) and acid etching, then seam sealing/painting would be the only hope of stopping the return, but odds of fully cleaning the edge are slim...the panel laps are slightly uneven, making even seeing it difficult...if they would have only deburred the top panel stamping(easy before crimp) they would never have had this issue... It's also one of the few areas that a "open hem" crimp like on GM door bottoms would be nice- the edges could be exposed where seam sealer could be accurately applied after cleaning up the panel edge...but extra labor for deburring, extra step of seam sealing, would mean a few dollars a car extra...would that be better than hoping they all make it out of warranty before upsetting the owners? Even impeccably cared for mustangs will suffer this failure, to me that's just being too cheep on Fords part...ford fan or not, their lack of correcting this problem so many years after first appearing is pathetic. If (big IF) I go to look at a 2015 when they hit the dealers, if I see a unimproved, unsealed sharp crimped hood edge, I'll have to walk away...sorry, but cars are getting too expensive to accept this type of 'normal'.

 

I might as well get one of these and be done with it !

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UPGRADE-NEW-...b9cca2&vxp=mtr

 

That seems very cheap for carbon fiber. Wonder if it's any count whatsoever?

 

LOOK AT THAT FORD! Does that look like we neglect our cars? NO. This IS a problem that should have a recall. This pisses me off SO much. I would bet that this happens on more Mustangs than not.

 

Mine has the blisters, but no paint has come off yet, it's a 2009 that had it when I purchased the car in July with 62,000 miles on it. It has a area on the front edge of the hood that is between the size of a quarter to half dollar. I was going to talk to ford on the corrosion warranty, but I have heard so many horror stories I have decided just to save up and get a fiberglass replacement cowl hood.

 

my 09 has 4.8 miles on it now, 1.5 more than when flat bedded home, only moved around the last 4 years up/down the driveway... it has it, had it when I got it...sitting inside/undercover it hasnt spread, only been washed twice, and carefully to minimize water spotting under the hood, without moisture it seems 'halted'- but still, if that cars got it, I'd be betting 100% of them will all have it.

a buddy got a brandnew shelby, saw it the day he got it, showed him mine- he got some clear 'goop' or something sealer and ran a bead around his hood lip, didnt show, probably a good idea- but there are little corner openings that must breathe to let water get out- never noticed the blistering there, just along the sharper edges along the crimp.

 

Aluminum is not special. Acura NSXs are made completely with aluminum. I am not aware of one bubbling paint issue on them. Ford screwed up here and needs to fix it like Porsche should have fixed their rear main seal and intermediate shaft issues.

 

I agree- what really irks me is the new ones are still having this issue that popped up at least 8 yrs ago... Ford has dropped the ball and dont seem to care, long as they dont perforate under warranty, they did their job...I'm a ford fan, but the muliti-year ****-poor sparkplug designs and aluminum corrosion SNAFUs dont say much for long term concerns... the spark plug blowouts on 4.6 2V engines should have been a warranty thing, the 3V break off plugs(dont change till out of warranty) was bull****, and the utter lack of concern over an ALUMINUM part on their halo car corroding is even worse.

my last new ford is 4 yrs old now, only way I can protest is say it may very well be my last. the S197 was a great car, but taking several years to revise a stupid sparkplug design, or never addressing a stupid lack of adequate edge-prep on aluminum hoods were huge mistakes that surely were well known at high levels in the company are good examples of poor management decisions.

 

Not to meantion the water leak issues which end up costing big money when the smart junction box fails.

 

So, I was cleaning up my engine compartment yesterday and suddenly realized what you guys are describing. Dang! If that isn't a design/process flaw, I don't know what is!