If you read the description of the Roush, it states that the front clip contains driving lights. That plus the headlights and the factory fogs makes six. However the fogs can only be turned on when the low beams are selected and to be legal the driving lights can only be turned on when the high beams are selected. I have driven many aftermarket converted vehicles with driving lights and every one of them had the driving light switch fed by a circuit that was only hot with the high beams selected. It isn't the number of forward facing lamps that get you in trouble, it's the number that are ON at any given time. Now anyone as a consumer can hook up anything they want but they are still subject to state or federal laws. Do it wrong and run into a LEO who has had a bad day and bingo you got green stamps.

Except that the 004XTs have a very narrow beam spread of only 15 to 25 degrees. Not enough to be interfered with by any part of the front end. Remember that driving lamp beam patterns can extend from 50% to 100% beyond your high beams. If you look at your low beams when shined on a wall, there is a definite cutoff with some light interference above. Not so with the driving lights as even with a narrow beam width they will continue to spread conically with distance.

Peace

BB
Semper Fi

 

No, but perhaps my sig might hint at my fog/driving light position thoughts.

 

Thanks I'll check it out.

 

The shelby lower uses Piaa 510's which can be had in a driving beam OR a fog.
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Piaa also has the 40's as direct replacement for the upper fogs to change to driving
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Piaa-...Q5fAccessories

Sooo if you really wanted driving & fogs you'd get the 40's for upper, and 5190 lowers.

 

Good point.
The PIAA uppers are cheaper here:
http://www.autobarn.net/piafordmustangkit.html
My Hellas were under $80, but I used the OEM wiring (I just reversed the headlight wires).
Note: My lights are still controlled by the SBJ

 

I am going to ask: why is there a relay and why is there a switch in the "40" kit? Doesn't the wiring and switch as provided and installed by Ford seem adequate to support the 55w lamps?

 

I'm sure it does, but remember that these kits from PIAA are for rally/offroad vehicles, so you need the relay and switches if you are adding it to your vehicle and not replacing current product.

 

The 4064 kit is S197 Mustang specific.

The current draw is supported, thus my set-up.
PIAA can't recommend you switch your OEM headlight wires.
The relay will allow you to rig it up whatever way you want it to.

 

Sorry to break it to you, but the "car specific" kit is nothing but a round 40 Series driving lamp, which has been around for years! If it is car specific, how come the lamp cover is offered for that lamp when our fogs have no use for it?

And I stated above, those lamps come in kits with wiring and relays for offroad applications. Want it cheaper? Get just the lamps, not the kit, that way you are not paying for the wiring, relay and switch. JMO.

 

Kid, let's see if I can clear up your confusion...
First, I agree with you about saving money by not buying the kit.
That is why I did what I did with the Hella 500 lights.
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Second, you can't just pop in the lights. They are a different depth than the OEM fogs.
The 4064 kit gives you 4062 lights and Mustang specific brackets:
http://www.shopatron.com/products/pr...4064/353.0.1.1
Without the brackets, you must fashion brackets or some type of adapter like I did.
The brackets can be purchased separately also:
http://www.shopatron.com/products/pr...PIA30340/353.0
The whole point of kits is to make things easier for people that don't do this stuff all the time.
Not necessarily to make it cheaper, but its nice when they do.

 

Here are some new night shots,

 

Bump..

 

up date.

 

Here is the Shelby kit on my 07 GT/CS, I love the look

 

QUOTE:
The current draw is supported, thus my set-up.
PIAA can't recommend you switch your OEM headlight wires.
The relay will allow you to rig it up whatever way you want it to


The relay is the most important part,it keeps the switch from melting over time

When using a relay the switch merely turns the relay on/off. With out the amps run thru the switch causing it to fail over time if not catch fire.

I ALWAYS run relays when adding lights.

 

Good advice and very true.
My point though is that PIAA can't recommend using the Ford wiring.
The fog lamp wiring actually contains a 15A relay so there isn't a load on that particular switch.
Thus the load (amps) in that case is on the fog lamp relay, not the switch.
I would have rigged in relay (as you wisely advise) if that were not the case.
Another important thing is that none of my loads exceed the relay or wiring capacities.
I have seen some people running 4 lights which might require more relays and/or heavier wiring.

 

OMG...............I love it!!!

 

Thanks Joe I really appreciate your comment....

 

bump

 

Awesome thread. Is the Shelby kit still available anywhere? I heard Shelby has stopped production of this?