Shelby GT500 Super Snake Package
4/29/07, 10:40 PM
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4/29/07, 10:46 PM
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Agreed!!! I'm all about pointing fingers at Ford and SAI, because both just seem to be money hungry, but yes they are hurting Shelby's name.
4/29/07, 11:09 PM
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If his legacy is suffering he can thank himself and his croanies for it.
4/29/07, 11:20 PM
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Mr Shelby did have an impact on the current S197 design. Where do you think the inspiration for the S197 rear quater windows came from? 1966 GT 350.
He also was involved in the initial work on the Viper
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He's an icon.....OF THE 60's
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4/29/07, 11:32 PM
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4/29/07, 11:33 PM
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Shelby is riding the Mustang coat tails and the dealers have his stamp of approval, otherwise he would be a page in history. All he has is the 60's and the latest Ford gifts thanks to SVT and Ford Racing.
If his legacy is suffering he can thank himself and his croanies for it.
If his legacy is suffering he can thank himself and his croanies for it.
4/30/07, 01:23 AM
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What's typical of younger people is no understanding or respect for the accomplishments of the past. Gottlieb Daimler and Karl Benz are the reason you have the automobile of today.
4/30/07, 01:23 AM
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Oh yeah, my 07's 1/4 windows look JUST like this!
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-19...T-350-s-lr.jpg
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-19...T-350-s-lr.jpg
4/30/07, 05:08 AM
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Oh yeah, my 07's 1/4 windows look JUST like this!
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-19...T-350-s-lr.jpg
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-19...T-350-s-lr.jpg
4/30/07, 05:29 AM
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4/30/07, 06:02 AM
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Carroll did NOT "oversee" the development of the 07' GT500. That car IS SVT'S CAR with Shelby marketing badges on the back. Note the valve covers " POWERED BY SVT ". Note the S197....NOT SHELBY'S DESIGN. Hm, powertrain by SVT ( Ford ), body by Ford. What did Carroll do again? "Approve" the TOO SKINNY 285 tires? lol
I know all about Carroll. He's an icon.....OF THE 60's. It's 2007 now. SAI bolts on FRPP parts and collects money for Shelby badging licensing. WTF has Shelby done for the Mustang the last FORTY YEARS? Wow, how conveniant.... they come along when FORD makes a retro body style to milk baby boomers! Deal with it. Keep telling yourself the 07'
GT500 is a "Shelby", lol
I know all about Carroll. He's an icon.....OF THE 60's. It's 2007 now. SAI bolts on FRPP parts and collects money for Shelby badging licensing. WTF has Shelby done for the Mustang the last FORTY YEARS? Wow, how conveniant.... they come along when FORD makes a retro body style to milk baby boomers! Deal with it. Keep telling yourself the 07'
GT500 is a "Shelby", lol
It's true Carroll Shelby was involved with the definitive sports car of the 60's, the Ford Cobra. But you have to be aware he was also involved with what is likely the definitive American sports car of the 90's the Dodge Viper. In the 50's he was a World class race car driver and left an impact on Ausin Healy (land speed record at Bonneville), Maserati, and Aston Martin. The Shelby automotive group was key in creating the GT40 and helped them dominate tracks in the mid-60's. Since you chose to belittle those accomplishments, perhaps you can outline your accomplishments in the automotive industry?
4/30/07, 09:11 AM
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It's true Carroll Shelby was involved with the definitive sports car of the 60's, the Ford Cobra. But you have to be aware he was also involved with what is likely the definitive American sports car of the 90's the Dodge Viper. In the 50's he was a World class race car driver and left an impact on Ausin Healy (land speed record at Bonneville), Maserati, and Aston Martin. The Shelby automotive group was key in creating the GT40 and helped them dominate tracks in the mid-60's. Since you chose to belittle those accomplishments, perhaps you can outline your accomplishments in the automotive industry?
4/30/07, 10:20 AM
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Yes, I readily concede you have every right to be skeptical as to the extent of his involvement, if you'll concede I might be skeptical of your equation above.
PS in case you missed it, Carroll Shelby was involved with the Dodge Viper project. (JMO it's a beast!) Referencing my desktop calendar, that doesn't look to be FORTY YEARS AGO. His name, right or wrong (everyone is entitled to an opinion) is on a current Mustang SE.
Regardless of Carroll Shelby's involvment, or lack thereof, it is hard to ignore the point that his name has a value (peformance or marketing) today. If it didn't, Ford wouldn't use it.
Personally, I wouldn't pay the extra $$ to have his name on my car. But, that's just me. I don't begrudge those who do--either with the intent to collect, or just as an afficionado.
4/30/07, 11:01 AM
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The sad part is Ford see's ZERO extra money from the Shelby marketing. They invoice GT500's for what, $37k or so to the dealer?
Ford sold 13,000 Cobra's in 2003. Shelby's name isn't needed to move high performance Mustangs.
Ford sold 13,000 Cobra's in 2003. Shelby's name isn't needed to move high performance Mustangs.
4/30/07, 11:18 AM
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4/30/07, 12:09 PM
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ford did not sell all the 2003 cobras in 2003. The local dealer near me had 10+ that they had to put rebates on to move.
weather or not they would have sold with shelbys name on it i don't know.
oh and one more thing...if you think shelbys name was just for gt500 sales then you are wrong. its to bring people into the showrrom and sell them on a base gt or fusion or any other ford.
weather or not they would have sold with shelbys name on it i don't know.
oh and one more thing...if you think shelbys name was just for gt500 sales then you are wrong. its to bring people into the showrrom and sell them on a base gt or fusion or any other ford.
4/30/07, 12:13 PM
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Look eci isn't trying to belittle Carroll Shelby, the man, but he and I came to the agreement last night, if you read through this thread, that yes had made great accomplishments and yes his name carries weight in the Ford community and the automotive industry, but SAI and dealerships are ruining his name.
On a different note how ridiculous do you guys think prices would have been for a Ford GT had it been a Shelby GT, not the Mustang the supercar? Or if Ford decides to go through with any of the other cars that Shelby has been 'involved' with how do you think the prices are going to be on those. Ford currently has the rights to the Shelby GR-1 and a Shelby Cobra roadster, I believe. These are both concepts but have made appearances at a few car shows. Just how insane or markups going to be on a supercar that carries his name.
On a different note how ridiculous do you guys think prices would have been for a Ford GT had it been a Shelby GT, not the Mustang the supercar? Or if Ford decides to go through with any of the other cars that Shelby has been 'involved' with how do you think the prices are going to be on those. Ford currently has the rights to the Shelby GR-1 and a Shelby Cobra roadster, I believe. These are both concepts but have made appearances at a few car shows. Just how insane or markups going to be on a supercar that carries his name.