No 5.8L boss for Mustang
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My mistake. I didn't know the 5.8 Boss was going to be GDI or other.
Ford could be looking into a smaller V8? It makes more sense, when you look at what the Mazda & D35 V6 are doing.
Ford could be looking into a smaller V8? It makes more sense, when you look at what the Mazda & D35 V6 are doing.
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I was at the store glancing through the new Motortrend and caught that. I didn't have time to thoroughly read the article. Was Motortrend theorizing or speculating?
If there is going to be a new shared platform in 2011 or 2012, there is a good chance we will have a new V8 by then as well. My guess is that the rumored cancellation of the Boss engine project was due to very poor gas mileage. Ford should take their time and build a V8 with the same technological advances as their new V6 and the Mazda motors.
If there is going to be a new shared platform in 2011 or 2012, there is a good chance we will have a new V8 by then as well. My guess is that the rumored cancellation of the Boss engine project was due to very poor gas mileage. Ford should take their time and build a V8 with the same technological advances as their new V6 and the Mazda motors.
Yeah, if its the same article I read coupled with talk from others.
It only makes sense for them to share a platform to distribute costs.
But seeing as the new Falcon is still on the old platform still, and the new platform if I remember correctly comes to fruition after 2012ish
(this is the basis on the idea that the Mustang will be a 2009-2011/12 and then be totally redesigned, on that shared platform)
So the rumour has some truth to it, but when the car actually comes out ON that platform, who knows.
The old LS1 was 5.7L and got great mileage, no reason why the 5.8L BOSS can't either.
I wouldn't put faith into the 'cancelling' rumours, let's just wait and see. (i hate that part...)
#63
Came across this today:
http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums...30#entry188082
"Switching gears for a moment. There was a 7 liter Hurricane powered Mustang out at Milan Dragway today. It is code named 777, 7 liter, 700 HP @ 7000 rpm. It is just an engineering exercise so don't get overly excited. It ran 9.20's @ 3300 lbs. Not bad for a two valve SOHC, no turbo, no DI."
Like he said, don't get overly excited, but how could you not?
http://www.blueovalforums.com/forums...30#entry188082
"Switching gears for a moment. There was a 7 liter Hurricane powered Mustang out at Milan Dragway today. It is code named 777, 7 liter, 700 HP @ 7000 rpm. It is just an engineering exercise so don't get overly excited. It ran 9.20's @ 3300 lbs. Not bad for a two valve SOHC, no turbo, no DI."
Like he said, don't get overly excited, but how could you not?
#66
GM has made ugly car after ugly car with crappy rattle-trap interiors year after year, but with good HP numbers and drivetrains. I think they finally learned that "looks" sells before performance. After all, anyone can add power with money, but you can't just go out there and design a car.
I could go on and on about the GM mistakes, but to this thread, the lack of drivetrain options is not really a big deal as there is so much aftermarket. I bought my GT thinking that some years from now, I will go out and make it what I want like I have with my previous Mustangs. Most Mustang owners tweak their cars in one way or another and that makes it different from most cars. Bring out the SE's so I can admire, but I won't be dumping my 401k into one.
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I think the ONLY reason any of them sold was BECAUSE of the 400 hp. Have you ever seen one of those?
GM has made ugly car after ugly car with crappy rattle-trap interiors year after year, but with good HP numbers and drivetrains. I think they finally learned that "looks" sells before performance. After all, anyone can add power with money, but you can't just go out there and design a car.
I could go on and on about the GM mistakes, but to this thread, the lack of drivetrain options is not really a big deal as there is so much aftermarket. I bought my GT thinking that some years from now, I will go out and make it what I want like I have with my previous Mustangs. Most Mustang owners tweak their cars in one way or another and that makes it different from most cars. Bring out the SE's so I can admire, but I won't be dumping my 401k into one.
GM has made ugly car after ugly car with crappy rattle-trap interiors year after year, but with good HP numbers and drivetrains. I think they finally learned that "looks" sells before performance. After all, anyone can add power with money, but you can't just go out there and design a car.
I could go on and on about the GM mistakes, but to this thread, the lack of drivetrain options is not really a big deal as there is so much aftermarket. I bought my GT thinking that some years from now, I will go out and make it what I want like I have with my previous Mustangs. Most Mustang owners tweak their cars in one way or another and that makes it different from most cars. Bring out the SE's so I can admire, but I won't be dumping my 401k into one.
I'm sure the hype and emotions connected with the new Camaro's design will make it sell well for atleast the first couple of years, but perhaps having the 5.3 L as the base V8 wouldn't be such a horrible idea. If the rumor is true and Ford will be attempting to put a smaller V8 in instead of the 5.8, than maybe Ford had the same thought. Gas prices and emissions standards deserve a lot of the blame, but the Hemi and LS engines get pretty much the same gas mileage as the Mustang's 4.6. A more efficient small V8 would be great, but I would be willing to bet that a lot of potential buyers out there don't do enough research and comparisons to know this and the simple this car has 300 hp versus this car has 400 hp will be enough for them. I'm going to assume that the majority of the potential buyers that will generate large volumes of sales are middle income people that are just looking for that car that they can afford and have fun with, and more power to these uninformed buyers with small funds will translate into being too costly. I've seen many of those.
Just my thoughts...
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I think the ONLY reason any of them sold was BECAUSE of the 400 hp. Have you ever seen one of those?
GM has made ugly car after ugly car with crappy rattle-trap interiors year after year, but with good HP numbers and drivetrains.
GM has made ugly car after ugly car with crappy rattle-trap interiors year after year, but with good HP numbers and drivetrains.
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The only thing wrong with that car was the name. If it was called the GTP-R or something other then GTO it would of sold. As dumb and idea as re-naming the 500 a Taurus. lol at this entire thread from one sentence on a forum from an anonymous poster.
The only thing wrong with that car was the name. If it was called the GTP-R or something other then GTO it would of sold. As dumb and idea as re-naming the 500 a Taurus. lol at this entire thread from one sentence on a forum from an anonymous poster.
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Hey John,
Yeah, if its the same article I read coupled with talk from others.
It only makes sense for them to share a platform to distribute costs.
But seeing as the new Falcon is still on the old platform still, and the new platform if I remember correctly comes to fruition after 2012ish
(this is the basis on the idea that the Mustang will be a 2009-2011/12 and then be totally redesigned, on that shared platform)
So the rumour has some truth to it, but when the car actually comes out ON that platform, who knows.
The old LS1 was 5.7L and got great mileage, no reason why the 5.8L BOSS can't either.
I wouldn't put faith into the 'cancelling' rumours, let's just wait and see. (i hate that part...)
Yeah, if its the same article I read coupled with talk from others.
It only makes sense for them to share a platform to distribute costs.
But seeing as the new Falcon is still on the old platform still, and the new platform if I remember correctly comes to fruition after 2012ish
(this is the basis on the idea that the Mustang will be a 2009-2011/12 and then be totally redesigned, on that shared platform)
So the rumour has some truth to it, but when the car actually comes out ON that platform, who knows.
The old LS1 was 5.7L and got great mileage, no reason why the 5.8L BOSS can't either.
I wouldn't put faith into the 'cancelling' rumours, let's just wait and see. (i hate that part...)
I believe Ford decided to look further into the future and rethink their strategy. I am thinking something smaller, 3.8L - 5.0L?
Hypothetically, a smaller V8 with the same technology should get better gas mileage.
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Ya know what...
Not even knowing what these engines put out...or have for Gas Mileage... hard to say.
However, removing the 5.8 has me thinkin about other avenues/options that Ford has... or will have...
Not even knowing what these engines put out...or have for Gas Mileage... hard to say.
However, removing the 5.8 has me thinkin about other avenues/options that Ford has... or will have...
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I still think gas mileage is playing a part in the rumored cancellation of the 5.8L Boss even if the engine is GDI.
I believe Ford decided to look further into the future and rethink their strategy. I am thinking something smaller, 3.8L - 5.0L?
Hypothetically, a smaller V8 with the same technology should get better gas mileage.
I believe Ford decided to look further into the future and rethink their strategy. I am thinking something smaller, 3.8L - 5.0L?
Hypothetically, a smaller V8 with the same technology should get better gas mileage.
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Less'see - at 6250 RPM, the 4.6 has a piston speed of about 3700 feet per minute - and this is probably a very safe limit imposed on the engine. Said motor could rev to 7283 rpm and still maintain the 3700 FPM of the current engine and said V10 would only be about 4 inches longer than the current V8. The only downside I can think of would be about a (and this is shakey math as I'm not to familiar on how to calculate engine drag) 20% increase in the amount of drag in the engine, but the shorter stroke (and if the engine used the same 4.6 rod) would offset some of this.
The same engine using a square bore and stroke would make 351 cubic inches.
#79
When I put a 5.0 in my Ranger, I gained 3 mpg over the 2.0 4 cylinder that was in there originally. Granted, you don't see too many severly underpowered engines that would cause a big v8 to be more efficient anymore, but it is possible. Throwing a twin screw supercharger on a car, or a turbo can improve gas mileage also, which is the opposite of what people would think.
Instigator: Are you saying you think the GTO would have sold if they had cheaper versions of the car? Is that what you mean?
Kevin...I agree. Calling the 500 a Taurus is a mistake, IMO.
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Not sure on the business layout, but I do realize that it is an Aussie car shipped over. I'm pretty much a car nut, so I did follow it when it was announced.
When I put a 5.0 in my Ranger, I gained 3 mpg over the 2.0 4 cylinder that was in there originally. Granted, you don't see too many severly underpowered engines that would cause a big v8 to be more efficient anymore, but it is possible. Throwing a twin screw supercharger on a car, or a turbo can improve gas mileage also, which is the opposite of what people would think.
Instigator: Are you saying you think the GTO would have sold if they had cheaper versions of the car? Is that what you mean?
Kevin...I agree. Calling the 500 a Taurus is a mistake, IMO.
When I put a 5.0 in my Ranger, I gained 3 mpg over the 2.0 4 cylinder that was in there originally. Granted, you don't see too many severly underpowered engines that would cause a big v8 to be more efficient anymore, but it is possible. Throwing a twin screw supercharger on a car, or a turbo can improve gas mileage also, which is the opposite of what people would think.
Instigator: Are you saying you think the GTO would have sold if they had cheaper versions of the car? Is that what you mean?
Kevin...I agree. Calling the 500 a Taurus is a mistake, IMO.
Cheaper yes, but more specifically less powerful variants. I actually thought that the price of the GTO was a pretty good deal overall, it's just that I think that 400 hp is more car than most people are looking for. It'll be interesting to see how low GM can get the price of the Camaro, and Ford the Mustang if it gets the new Boss V8.