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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
My bad, I posted facts and quotes from Coyote engineers.

Dude, how long have you been around? A person can buy a 2005 GT, spend $6,000, and make more power than a stock GT500. The HO Whipple is rated at 550HP. Difference is he is on the ragged edge. A GT500 is asleep at 540HP. So, you're wrong about that comment. If you think spending 5-6k on a 2011 GT makes it equal to a GT500, I think you are believing too much of Boomer's hype. Sorry.

I am posting actual information. Not crap like " just wait, it has "stuff" to deal with "stuff " *wink* *giggle*. " Do you not want the ACTUAL information? Instead of giggles and winks, I would like to have an actual technical conversation.
eci, I like you. you might be a bit abrasive sometimes to some people, but you are right in what you say. I supercharged my '07 GT knowing full well that I could make it beat a stock GT500 in a straight line, but at the expense of having it run on the ragged edge. There is so much untapped potential with the GT500 due to its very robust engine construction, but us GT guys have to worry about long term reliability when we try to modify the stock short block too much.
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jasongt06
I think it is obvious that if the new 5.0 get either turbocharged or supercharged from the factory it will have forged rods and pistons. The article never said that they would use the GT rods and pistons.
Maybe that's the plan... limit the GT, but with a mere change of rods & pistons (and whatever goodies they want to use) they have a special high output GT350, Mach, Boss, etc. with HP that you would be unable to achieve safely with the stock GT rods...

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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PTRocks
For the techno eggheads among us, here is a thesis that compares strength, fatigue life, manufacturing costs, etc. for forged steel vs. powdered metal connecting rods. I haven't read through it yet, though.

http://www.forging.org/FIERF/pdf/FatigueBehavior.pdf
Cool, thanks for the link. The Engineering Toolbox is a good resource, too.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Five Oh Brian
eci, I like you. you might be a bit abrasive sometimes to some people, but you are right in what you say. I supercharged my '07 GT knowing full well that I could make it beat a stock GT500 in a straight line, but at the expense of having it run on the ragged edge. There is so much untapped potential with the GT500 due to its very robust engine construction, but us GT guys have to worry about long term reliability when we try to modify the stock short block too much.
I concur. I think a lot of people take eci's comments too personally, and think he's out against them, when he really just wants to see solid information based on actual tech specs. As for the comparisons, what do people want him to compare it to? It's useful to have another vehicle to compare things too, so you can see where things are on a chart. I'd rather him compare it to the GT500, than say, the Camaro SS.

I'm going to keep my 5.0 naturally aspirated, though I may upgrade the internals for reasons other than performance. If I want a drag strip car, that'll have to come later on whenever I have the extra money to spend on that money pit. I doubt I'll see 500 horsepower out of my N/A 5.0 engine, but whatever I get really should be enough. I've got a friend who's been building his '03 Cobra (last dynometer rating was 650 horsepower), and it breaks pretty much constantly.

I'm not buying the car for drag strip purposes, though I will go to see what it'll do with the mods I've got planned.

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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 05:48 PM
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This picture = win. eci, I finally got a good laugh out of you.

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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jasongt06
I think it is obvious that if the new 5.0 get either turbocharged or supercharged from the factory it will have forged rods and pistons. The article never said that they would use the GT rods and pistons.
Well, yeah =)

Of course there will be an SVT version of the engine. Should have clarified, I am discussing modifications to the base GT engine as shipped.
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
You called me out. I obliged! You fail!!!
I'm still sayin it's your daddy's car and your a fifteen year old.
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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Just for everyones information I will add some tech here:

There is a process where powdered metal is heated and poured into an oversized mold, formed into the shape of a connecting rod then hammer forged while still hot into the final shape. The Hammer forging packs the molecules closer together forming a stronger part. Hence "Forged powdered metal connecting rods".

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I have also noticed that "eci" is real sensitive about his GT 500! Just for the record I own one of those "inferior" 4.6's with the "fragile" hyperpathetic rods that is supercharged running 11 lbs of boost(without a intercooler) and I don't know what a GT 500 runs in the quarter, but mine is stout enough to run 12.5's in the quarter, 171 mph at Talladega (averaging 151.3) and post 1:50 laps at Barbers Motorsport Park (a road course) without blowing up!!
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tacbear
Just for the record I own one of those "inferior" 4.6's with the "fragile" hyperpathetic rods that is supercharged running 11 lbs of boost(without a intercooler) and I don't know what a GT 500 runs in the quarter, but mine is stout enough to run 12.5's in the quarter, 171 mph at Talladega (averaging 151.3) and post 1:50 laps at Barbers Motorsport Park (a road course) without blowing up!!
Congrats, but it will blow on you. What gear are you running to hit 171?
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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especially without an intercooler at 11psi lol

by the way, my v6, with less than 11psi, runs quicker in the 1/4 so dont brag LOL
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fdjizm
The e-rage index is high today LOL
Exactly. How 'bout you guys knock the bull**** off and take your garbage to face book or some ****. Keep it out of here. It would have been nice to read a thread about the engine. Not a bunch of useless drivel, "He called me a name so I'm gonna **** up the thread" **** WTF.

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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by VAiN
Congrats, but it will blow on you. What gear are you running to hit 171?
5th gear, I don't know how many rpm...I was looking at the GPS. I know I was over 5000 rpm for 1 full lap.
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 06:55 PM
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I know it's wrong, but I genuinely laughed at this

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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 07:13 PM
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Wheres the rest of the article?
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Fazm
especially without an intercooler at 11psi lol

by the way, my v6, with less than 11psi, runs quicker in the 1/4 so dont brag LOL
You have a hell of a sixxer! I'd run away crying!
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by mustangGT90210



I know it's wrong, but I genuinely laughed at this
Looking at the pic, it almost looks fake, lol! The flash went off and lit up the white paper. Any other poses, let me know guys!
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GT40 2
Wheres the rest of the article?
Buy the mag, GREAT READ!!!! Haven't seen it online...
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Fazm
especially without an intercooler at 11psi lol

by the way, my v6, with less than 11psi, runs quicker in the 1/4 so dont brag LOL

You should be very proud! I certainly know that my car isn't the fastest car in the world. 12.50 is spinning all the way through 1st and breaking loose in 2nd gear...my problem is TRACTION. I should be in the 11's. I should be able to launch harder now that I have the Kenny Brown TracKit. My point was my car does pretty good for a 4.6L 2V with hyper-pathetic rods.
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 08:03 PM
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def should be in the 11s, i was thinkin about going to the track just to get the slip, but why? with a 12.03 and a 118.5 trap speed in 3000DA i know i have an 11 sec car, dont need a piece of paper to tell me.

traction wasnt my issue, stock suspension was lol
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Old Jan 9, 2010 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
You have a hell of a sixxer! I'd run away crying!

ill trade ya straight up for it
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