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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 06:48 AM
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Sounds like the Mustang 5.8 is still set to be AL
the 6.2L truck will be FE
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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bob
Aside from weight and easy casting for aluminum, what makes cast iron so last century? Its quieter, its stronger, its more dimensionally stable, it wears better, and so on and so forth. The all alumium 5.0 cammer has a shipping weight 67 pounds heavier than the 602 pound shipping weight of a cast iron 351.
The weight of a 351 Cleveland is 550 lbs, 351 Windsor 510 lbs.
Cammer net wight is 535 lbs.

Where the differences are:
1. The mod motor has a deep skirt cross bolted block & main caps.
2. The Cammer has huge 4V heads, 4 cams instead of 1 cam, twice as many valves, big timing chains etc.

Mad a strong deep skirted / cross bolted block and a it will add 50 lbs to a 351.
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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Sounds like the Mustang 5.8 is still set to be AL
the 6.2L truck will be FE
Makes perfect sense.

For cars, all AL engines is a selling point.

For trucks, FE blocks are a selling point.

If true sounds like Ford is doing this the right way.
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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Sounds like the Mustang 5.8 is still set to be AL
the 6.2L truck will be FE
I heard the same, Fourcam indicated that AL blocks were destined for the Mustang but he not yet obtained an specs.
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Old Jan 27, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
The weight of a 351 Cleveland is 550 lbs, 351 Windsor 510 lbs.
Cammer net wight is 535 lbs.

Where the differences are:
1. The mod motor has a deep skirt cross bolted block & main caps.
2. The Cammer has huge 4V heads, 4 cams instead of 1 cam, twice as many valves, big timing chains etc.

Mad a strong deep skirted / cross bolted block and a it will add 50 lbs to a 351.
Thanks, all I had for a reference was the shipping weights listed in FRPPs catalog, I didn't see actual engine weights anywhere.
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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MustangFanatic
I heard the same, Fourcam indicated that AL blocks were destined for the Mustang but he not yet obtained an specs.
hahah..same source.
I was just stating what fourcam had mentioned in that thread.

This way people don't have to jump back and forth

Good that info is slowly getting out on those engines.
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Old Feb 1, 2007 | 05:44 PM
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Update from Fourcam:
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...352984&page=10
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Old Feb 1, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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2011 for the Boss 5.8.
Come on Ford, I ain't getting any younger.
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Old Feb 1, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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Too bad though... I wanted the new year redesign AND boss in the GT.
Can't have my cake and eat it too... have to wait a year...

Gives me time to save I guess....
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Old Feb 1, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
2011 for the Boss 5.8.
Come on Ford, I ain't getting any younger.
+ 1,000,000 2011 is ridiculous
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 06:36 PM
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I just don't get it, 2011 is 4 years away, and they've been working on this engine for how many yers already? 3? 4? 5 years? How can it take Ford nearly a decade to design an engine? This isn't the first engine they've ever designed before!!

Ford has the slowest product development cycles in the entire autromotive industry, I think Lada could have done it quicker...

Tht's 2 model years the Mustang will have to do battle against the Camaro and Challenger with their big 6+ Liter engines with the little 300 horse 4.6..

Pathetic..
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Old Feb 2, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Black331
Tht's 2 model years the Mustang will have to do battle against the Camaro and Challenger with their big 6+ Liter engines with the little 300 horse 4.6..

Pathetic..
Hopefully the 5.4L will make it into the SE so the 4.6L won't had to face the big bad Chevy's and Mopars alone.
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Old Feb 3, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Black331
I just don't get it, 2011 is 4 years away, and they've been working on this engine for how many yers already? 3? 4? 5 years? How can it take Ford nearly a decade to design an engine? This isn't the first engine they've ever designed before!!

Ford has the slowest product development cycles in the entire autromotive industry, I think Lada could have done it quicker...

Tht's 2 model years the Mustang will have to do battle against the Camaro and Challenger with their big 6+ Liter engines with the little 300 horse 4.6..

Pathetic..
I've read several articles about how much Ford spends on R&D, more than almost any other car company. The problem appears that Ford starts great vehicle projects only to have them canciled by the bean counters. There reportedly have been many projects canciled just weeks before production release.

The Boss V8 appears to have suffered from the same problem. The Hurricane seemed to be a year from production and was canciled by the bean counters. It took a major upheaval in Ford to bring it back.

But like you I don't understand how it can take so long since the thing was 90% complete 3 years ago. It seems to me the Hemi got done in 3 years, so how is it possible for Ford to take a decade to come up with a new engine?

The only good news in all this was a few months ago Mulally got Ford's bylaws changed to remove the bean counters veto power on any and all development projects.
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Old Feb 5, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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The only good news in all this was a few months ago Mulally got Ford's bylaws changed to remove the bean counters veto power on any and all development projects.
Therein lies the change. I hate bean counters- when they do crap like that.
In reality, their delays so close to production cycles-- only to get back on- costs Ford more freakin' money than just producing it in the first place. Sounds like Mulally figured that out....oh, yeah.....and the fact that Ford has to compete if they want to survive. Thank God.
Unleash the beast already!
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Old Feb 9, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by crispy23c
In reality, their delays so close to production cycles-- only to get back on- costs Ford more freakin' money than just producing it in the first place.

Normally I hate hearing people ***** about "beancounters," but that's a very valid point.
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 06:25 PM
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Rumor now is Ford got stupid again and dropped the Boss name. Now it has no name, Ford's marketing wizards at work again..

"Premium V8" is the new, ***** sounding name...

So now there won't be any Boss vs. Hemi comparisons in a few years..

Sometimes I really hate this company and what the morons running it have done to the Ford name..
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 06:36 PM
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They could call it the 'Super Puppy Happy Flappy V8'... i could care less....
If its a great engine and got the stones..I'm cool with it.
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 06:44 PM
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And how will anybody know it's anything other than the old mod? What will we call it?

It costs nothing more to give it a name, it's like Ford doesn't want to even try, a good name gets good press for an all new engine, all this will do is make sure it recieves little attention..
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 08:36 PM
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ultamite v8 would be better... but boss has any nameplate beat
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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Do you think Chrysler/Dodge would sell anywhere NEAR as many Hemi's as they do now if they called it "The Hummingbird"?? No, they sell the Hemi's because they are a HEMI and that name has some serious heritage, just like the BOSS!! Heck, most of the people who order the Hemi have no idea what in the world it is or why it is good. They just know it is a Hemi and that is good, so they want it. %^&* Ford!!
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