Anyone else like me still not liking the S550 design?
1/26/17, 04:19 AM
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Heck I was on my 3rd Mustang even before she was born 
1/26/17, 01:06 PM
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Yeah, Americans want to keep changing to keep up with the Euros.
that just means more changes, more money spent, more problems, more recalls...
... I dunno whats sadder, my 2006 is 12 years old, or that i'm 21!!
When the 2005s came out in 2004, i just turned 9. now i'm 21
that just means more changes, more money spent, more problems, more recalls...
... I dunno whats sadder, my 2006 is 12 years old, or that i'm 21!!
When the 2005s came out in 2004, i just turned 9. now i'm 21
1/26/17, 02:37 PM
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1/26/17, 04:46 PM
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Compared with the Camaro and Challenger, the Mustang is the lightest out of the 3.. Park them beside one another and the Mustang looks more like a dwarf by comparison.. The fact of the matter is, cars are increasing more in weight due to increasing safety regulations.. That being said, until automakers can offer lighter weight materials while also keeping car pricing affordable, then we're all going to have to accept it one way or the other whether we like it or not
1/26/17, 07:35 PM
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According to U.S News & World Report, basic curb weight for 2017 Mustang GT w/6spd manual trans is 3705 lbs.
Basic curb weight for 2017 Camaro 2dr Cpe SS w/1SS package w/6spd manual trans is 3685 lbs.
According to the article, the 6th gen Camaro is lighter than the 6th gen Mustang by a whopping 20 lbs
The reason, Ford finally ditched the SRA in favor of the IRS due that Mustang is being sold globally and now as a direct result has to compete on a much larger scale including both American and European markets..
Therefore Ford really didn't have much choice but to ditch the SRA knowing full well that SRA technology wouldn't be accepted by potential buyers in the European markets.. At any rate, as far as I'm concerned, that 20lb weight advantage the Camaro now has over the Mustang is pretty much irrelevant after you take into consideration how Mustang has finally leveled the playing field with GM regarding both power train and suspension technology..
In the meantime, here's the article link posted below...
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com..._ford_mustang/
Basic curb weight for 2017 Camaro 2dr Cpe SS w/1SS package w/6spd manual trans is 3685 lbs.
According to the article, the 6th gen Camaro is lighter than the 6th gen Mustang by a whopping 20 lbs
The reason, Ford finally ditched the SRA in favor of the IRS due that Mustang is being sold globally and now as a direct result has to compete on a much larger scale including both American and European markets..
Therefore Ford really didn't have much choice but to ditch the SRA knowing full well that SRA technology wouldn't be accepted by potential buyers in the European markets.. At any rate, as far as I'm concerned, that 20lb weight advantage the Camaro now has over the Mustang is pretty much irrelevant after you take into consideration how Mustang has finally leveled the playing field with GM regarding both power train and suspension technology..
In the meantime, here's the article link posted below...
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com..._ford_mustang/
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1/26/17, 08:15 PM
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Either way it's such a minimal difference after you take into consideration that Ford finally upgraded the Mustang's suspension from it's outdated SRA technology to modern 21st century IRS
1/26/17, 08:23 PM
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Who cares it's still a crapmaro! 
1/26/17, 08:24 PM
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So which source is accurate ? Your's came up with the Camaro SS as 57lbs lighter.. My source came up as just 20lbs lighter..
Either way it's such a minimal difference after you take into consideration that Ford finally upgraded the Mustang's suspension from it's outdated SRA technology to modern 21st century IRS
Either way it's such a minimal difference after you take into consideration that Ford finally upgraded the Mustang's suspension from it's outdated SRA technology to modern 21st century IRS
Besides, winning is winning. Weather by an inch or a mile. Besides, your claim was that currently Mustang was lightest of the 3. And you were wrong. Or was that one of those "alternative facts"
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1/26/17, 08:55 PM
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Either way you slice it, the Mustang looses. Call it a crapmaro all you want, but if it beats you in everything performance related than ... I guess you can fall back on the stunning good looks? 
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1/26/17, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER
Either way you slice it, the Mustang looses. Call it a crapmaro all you want, but if it beats you in everything performance related than ... I guess you can fall back on the stunning good looks?
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That's fine. You don't have to like it. But they are faster. And lighter. Period. Respect where it's earned.
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1/26/17, 09:21 PM
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1/27/17, 01:02 AM
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As for blowing off the Mustang's doors since MY2013.. Wrong again, as Ford narrowed the performance gap when the 5.0 Coyote made it's debut for the 2011 model year..
Therefore once again, it's you who is wrong for misinterpreting what was posted from the get go.. So consider that as just another of your alternative facts
Regarding the Crapmaro winning by a lousy inch or whatever.. We'll see just how well your ZL1 stacks up against the Shelby GT350 soon enough
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1/27/17, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER
That's fine. You don't have to like it. But they are faster. And lighter. Period. Respect where it's earned.
1/27/17, 07:56 AM
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To the OP, I didn't feel the love for the 2015 (But I DO feel the love for the GT350!). I feel slightly more love for the 2018 because of the guages and other extra goodies. But the front end below the headlights just doesn't do it.
And STILL no glass roof? Keeping my 2012 for now.
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Wrong again Slick ! Ever since GM resurrected the Camaro back in 09 during the 2010 model year.. it's been with the IRS..
As for blowing off the Mustang's doors since MY2013.. Wrong again, as Ford narrowed the performance gap when the 5.0 Coyote made it's debut for the 2011 model year..
As for blowing off the Mustang's doors since MY2013.. Wrong again, as Ford narrowed the performance gap when the 5.0 Coyote made it's debut for the 2011 model year..
As for my claim is concerned, where did I ever mention a single word in my post about the current Mustang being the lightest of the 3 ? My claim as you supposedly put it was intended in reference up to the 2015 model year, not the current 2016/17 model years..
And I didn't mis-interpret anything. Your exact words were:"Mustang is the lightest of the 3". That inherently implies now. Replace IS with WAS and then you'd be right. But you're just wrong and can't own up to it.
Look at MY17 of each car, and the Mustang is heavier, slower and uglier. And the only part of this statement you can disagree with is the looks. Everything else is FACT.
Regarding the Crapmaro winning by a lousy inch or whatever.. We'll see just how well your ZL1 stacks up against the Shelby GT350 soon enough
MY17 Camaro 1LE @ $45000 already matches the GT350R in terms of performance. For $20k less. Have you been living under a rock? Ford has been loosing the performance game for almost 5 years now.
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1/27/17, 04:26 PM
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It's 2017 bro. When you state IS you are referring to now, not 2 years ago! And besides, how is it fair to compare the current generation Mustang with Previous generation Camaro? That's what a '15 to '15 comparison is.
And I didn't mis-interpret anything. Your exact words were:"Mustang is the lightest of the 3". That inherently implies now. Replace IS with WAS and then you'd be right. But you're just wrong and can't own up to it.
And I didn't mis-interpret anything. Your exact words were:"Mustang is the lightest of the 3". That inherently implies now. Replace IS with WAS and then you'd be right. But you're just wrong and can't own up to it.
You also claim that I wasn't being fair in comparing the current generation Mustang with the previous generation Camaro..That's what a '15 to '15 comparison is.. Okay well here's your '15 to '15 comparison..
2015 Camaro SS 1LE Curb weight: 3884 pounds
2015 Mustang GT Curb weight: 3810 pounds
Up until the 2016 re-design, the Mustang was indeed the lightest of the 3, just as i said in my previous post.. So there's your '15 to '15 comparison to back it up, Slick..
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-5
Does this mean that I'm in favor of the Mustang getting heavier, NO it does not.. And it also doesn't mean that I like the current S550 model over the S197 either.. In fact, if you had bothered to read any of my other posts in this thread along with some also from other threads, you would know full well that I stated if I had to choose between the current S550 over my 06 S197 GT, that I would still choose the S197 over the 2015-17 S550 hands down..
So if you want to try and deny that too ? I'll be more than glad to copy and paste everything I posted word for word from those threads..
MY17 Camaro 1LE @ $45000 already matches the GT350R in terms of performance. For $20k less. Have you been living under a rock? Ford has been loosing the performance game for almost 5 years now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjKjnbOsSEs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjKjnbOsSEs
I want to be able to enjoy the driving experience in my car and not feel like I'm sitting inside of a bunker or inside of a d*mn tank.. If I were so concerned and hung up as to which is the fastest car, I'll just continue modding my 2006 GT while also saving a ton of money in the process..
And just so we're on the same page, I have no intentions of getting rid of my 2006 GT towards any 2017/18 Mustang, Crapmaro or Challenger nor anything else for that matter.. For my particular application, I'm quite satisfied right where I currently am at 425 RWHP, which is more than enough power for the street as far as I'm concerned