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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 04:33 PM
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If you are wrong after all these months you better disappear and come back under a new screen name and visit more gas stations rather than listen to secret Ford informers.
Things change in the Automotive world at the drop of a hat. That's just how things are. Would that be Boomer's fault? In fact, if not for Pete, this forum would be devoid of virtually all "inside" information, so show a little gratitude rather than resorting to the "gotcha"-type posts.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MARZ
Things change in the Automotive world at the drop of a hat. That's just how things are. Would that be Boomer's fault? In fact, if not for Pete, this forum would be devoid of virtually all "inside" information, so show a little gratitude rather than resorting to the "gotcha"-type posts.
Relax Marzy its just a joke.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Clino
At the risk of getting off topic, I have to diagree that the Mustang is still the bargain it used to be.

With a few options, the GT coupe costs about 36 -38k CAD. I have an education, and a professional job, and I think I probably make a bit more than the average person, and there is NO WAY I can legitimately afford a car that costs that much. Not even close.
we can take the discussion to another thread if you like, but i agree with you to a certain extent.

It does get quite pricey, but that's only when you add some options. Even still, in my opinion it's still relatively cheap compared to the alternatives. Name another V8 rwd coupe can be had for cheaper?

Bottom line is there are no "cheap" V8 coupes anymore period, time are changing
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 05:02 PM
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Stangfoeva, this is true. But that was the selling point for the Mustang GT. A great performing 2+2 that the average Joe could afford. It isn't even close to that anymore. I have been waiting all my life (22 years) for a chance to own my own new V8 Mustang. Due to not being born into a rich family, and my parents taking the smart choice in investing in my education, rather than spoiling me and buying whatever car I wanted (like all my friends whose parents bought them GTs or Cobras for their 16th birthdays), I've been patiently waiting. I finally got my career started after graduating this past May.

Now. Looking at current pricing of the GTs, pretty much my options of owning a new Mustang are living at home and scraping by to afford the payment and insurance. Or used.

That's unacceptable. Not to blame Ford, as all car prices have gone up, and like it has been mentioned a bunch lately, salaries have not increased proportionately. I hope that, since Ford is doing so well, they pull out of this recession and be able to go back to the days where there really was "a Mustang for everyone".

And hopefully the options will go down in price.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
Stangfoeva, this is true. But that was the selling point for the Mustang GT. A great performing 2+2 that the average Joe could afford. It isn't even close to that anymore. I have been waiting all my life (22 years) for a chance to own my own new V8 Mustang. Due to not being born into a rich family, and my parents taking the smart choice in investing in my education, rather than spoiling me and buying whatever car I wanted (like all my friends whose parents bought them GTs or Cobras for their 16th birthdays), I've been patiently waiting. I finally got my career started after graduating this past May.

Now. Looking at current pricing of the GTs, pretty much my options of owning a new Mustang are living at home and scraping by to afford the payment and insurance. Or used.

That's unacceptable. Not to blame Ford, as all car prices have gone up, and like it has been mentioned a bunch lately, salaries have not increased proportionately. I hope that, since Ford is doing so well, they pull out of this recession and be able to go back to the days where there really was "a Mustang for everyone".

And hopefully the options will go down in price.
Wow much hatred and jealously of those with more! Democrat by any chance? You're mad because you couldn't afford a new Mustang upon graduation and your first job? LOL.

There is a Mustang for everyone. Buy a stripper V6. Expecting a "new V8 Mustang" at 22 is retarded. You should be saving for a down payment on a house and furthering your career. Mustang is priced just right. I got my first new car at age 31. Prior to that I purchased more important things like a house.

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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkCandy08GT
Relax Marzy its just a joke.
Yeah, it would SUCK if I'm wrong... hahah.

And Marz is right, things change ... possibly daily.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
Wow much hatred and jealously of those with more! Democrat by any chance? You're mad because you couldn't afford a new Mustang upon graduation and your first job? LOL.

There is a Mustang for everyone. Buy a stripper V6. Expecting a "new V8 Mustang" at 22 is retarded. You should be saving for a down payment on a house and furthering your career. Mustang is priced just right. I got my first new car at age 31. Prior to that I purchased more important things like a house.
Wow. Did I say hate or anything like that? No I'm thankful for where I am and not spoiled like all my friends who didn't work for anything and had everything handed to them. And haha I am SO lucky to have landed the job I did, and yes FYI I am saving for a down payment for a house. And thanks, I already have a "stripper V6" that I've had for 5 years now. I have been an enthusiast since birth. I learned to read when I was 3 reading car and driver. So, yeah sure maybe it makes me a little mad that my peers who know nothing abou cars get a new GT for their birthday and wrap around a poll before they're 17. But it doesn't change the fact that if this was 10 years ago, I could have afforded a fully loaded GT or even Cobra right out of college.

The Mustang has gotten over priced and over weight. Fact. Period. All cars have. I could afford a new stripper GT right now, but not with most of the options I want, and should be standard/lower priced.

I would MUCH rather be in the position I am now, than those people who had everything handed to them.

That is, of course, unless the world ends in 2012. Cuz then I'll be PISSED!!!
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
Stangfoeva, this is true. But that was the selling point for the Mustang GT. A great performing 2+2 that the average Joe could afford. It isn't even close to that anymore. I have been waiting all my life (22 years) for a chance to own my own new V8 Mustang. Due to not being born into a rich family, and my parents taking the smart choice in investing in my education, rather than spoiling me and buying whatever car I wanted (like all my friends whose parents bought them GTs or Cobras for their 16th birthdays), I've been patiently waiting. I finally got my career started after graduating this past May.

Now. Looking at current pricing of the GTs, pretty much my options of owning a new Mustang are living at home and scraping by to afford the payment and insurance. Or used.

That's unacceptable. Not to blame Ford, as all car prices have gone up, and like it has been mentioned a bunch lately, salaries have not increased proportionately. I hope that, since Ford is doing so well, they pull out of this recession and be able to go back to the days where there really was "a Mustang for everyone".

And hopefully the options will go down in price.

Well, if it makes you feel any better, when I was 22 (w/ college degree in hand) the best I could afford was a used $9,000 1995 Ford Probe with 40,000 miles on it. Even though this was 1998, I don't think things have changed all that much. However, I suppose one could buy a used 2005 or 2006 V6 for about the same price today.

It took a law degree, several years, and a very understanding wife to get my '08 GT. And I'm 33.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 06:24 PM
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And no I'm not a Dem but thanks for asking. I don't associate myself with any if the current political parties. IMO, it's time for a change. And Obama wasn't if.

Why even bring politics into this discussion? All your posts are always so negative and trouble starting.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 06:29 PM
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It'd be funny if some 60's guys came in here and whined that Mustangs should be $2000 again. LOL.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JCC07
Well, if it makes you feel any better, when I was 22 (w/ college degree in hand) the best I could afford was a used $9,000 1995 Ford Probe with 40,000 miles on it. Even though this was 1998, I don't think things have changed all that much. However, I suppose one could buy a used 2005 or 2006 V6 for about the same price today.

It took a law degree, several years, and a very understanding wife to get my '08 GT. And I'm 33.
Thanks bud, and congrats on the 08. But a lot of other factors come into play there. Your starting salary, student loans etc.

My point was, there was a time that any average guy with a steady job could walk into a Ford dealer and pick up a GT with whatever options he wanted without breaking the bank.

That is no longer the case. $38k is BMW teritory. And the Mustang GT doesn't belong there. Make a Cougar/Mark IX to hang out there!
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by eci
It'd be funny if some 60's guys came in here and whined that Mustangs should be $2000 again. LOL.
Lol...that would be nice wouldn't it!
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 06:44 PM
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I think Mustangs are still fairly priced if you look at the price of similar cars way back when and now. You can still get a V6 Mustang for $20k and a GT for $28k, don't want to spend $35k+ on a Mustang? Don't load it up with options. By many accounts my wife and I could have "afforded" to buy new Mustangs for quite awhile, but our 2008 GT was the first new one. I bought my first Mustang, a 1981 V8 Cobra, back in 1988 when I turned 18, for $3000. My 2nd one was a 1989 5.0 LX hatch for $4800 in 1993 the year before I got married, then I bought my '01 Bullitt in 2006 for $14k. As long as they can keep the starting price of a 2011 GT with the 5.0 V8 at or below $30k, I think it will still be a great car for the price.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Yeah, it would SUCK if I'm wrong... hahah.

And Marz is right, things change ... possibly daily.
I should use a disclaimer on my posts:
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When 's your next fill up Pete so we can be up to date on HP numbers.
Seriously, i really hope Ford is going to get their act together and finally give us some potent HP #'s to match GM and Dodge's engine which i'm sure will increase for the 2011-12 MY . Say all you want, HP sells car, the proof is out there with the Camaro outselling the Mustang big time.
We want the goods Ford..... just build it, then we'll buy it. It's that simple.
If it ain't getting 400HP, i ain't buying it period. Just my .02 cents

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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
Stangfoeva, this is true. But that was the selling point for the Mustang GT. A great performing 2+2 that the average Joe could afford. It isn't even close to that anymore. I have been waiting all my life (22 years) for a chance to own my own new V8 Mustang. Due to not being born into a rich family, and my parents taking the smart choice in investing in my education, rather than spoiling me and buying whatever car I wanted (like all my friends whose parents bought them GTs or Cobras for their 16th birthdays), I've been patiently waiting. I finally got my career started after graduating this past May.

Now. Looking at current pricing of the GTs, pretty much my options of owning a new Mustang are living at home and scraping by to afford the payment and insurance. Or used.

That's unacceptable. Not to blame Ford, as all car prices have gone up, and like it has been mentioned a bunch lately, salaries have not increased proportionately. I hope that, since Ford is doing so well, they pull out of this recession and be able to go back to the days where there really was "a Mustang for everyone".

And hopefully the options will go down in price.
I agree and I am in a similar situation to you. I just graduated in June. It sucks that these cars aren't as cheap as they used to be, but I think you get your money's worth for the amount you do spend.

I think the problem is people have been complaining for year they want a mustang with a rattle-free interior, soft touch materials, etc etc. Ford has given them what they want. But it ain't free. Unfortuantely the only options are to buy a V6 or a stipped GT to get them cheaper

Oh yeah back to topic
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
Wow. Did I say hate or anything like that? No I'm thankful for where I am and not spoiled like all my friends who didn't work for anything and had everything handed to them. And haha I am SO lucky to have landed the job I did, and yes FYI I am saving for a down payment for a house. And thanks, I already have a "stripper V6" that I've had for 5 years now. I have been an enthusiast since birth. I learned to read when I was 3 reading car and driver. So, yeah sure maybe it makes me a little mad that my peers who know nothing abou cars get a new GT for their birthday and wrap around a poll before they're 17. But it doesn't change the fact that if this was 10 years ago, I could have afforded a fully loaded GT or even Cobra right out of college.

The Mustang has gotten over priced and over weight. Fact. Period. All cars have. I could afford a new stripper GT right now, but not with most of the options I want, and should be standard/lower priced.

I would MUCH rather be in the position I am now, than those people who had everything handed to them.

That is, of course, unless the world ends in 2012. Cuz then I'll be PISSED!!!
Hang in there buddy. You are smart to save for a down payment on a house before blowing on a new car of any kind.

Here is what I usually do because its all I can afford. I try to buy at the end of a run and watch like crazy for rebates ect... Example: I bought a 03 mach 1 knowing full well the 05 was all new and coming soon but at the time I didnt have the exact specifics on power ect... But, I got the Mach 1 at the rock bottom price and when that happens it effects the used value of the rest on the road and those who over paid and had to have it first. I have no regrets to this day for doing this but I do love the s197 cars. By the end of a run the bugs are mostly worked out as well. The mach was new in several ways but overall I didnt feel like I was taking a big chance on reliability.

Now, you have to be extremely careful buying a used Mustang. A bunch of them are beat on hard. But, if you are careful and patient you can find the right one. I am a older guy and when the time comes to sell mine it would be a good example. Sure, I have opened it up but its never been abused like some are. No crazy burnouts ect..... Be patient and you can save a ton of money on a good used stang. People are **** about these cars and usually take better care of them than anything else. Sometimes you will find one that is perfect but has had the living daylights run out of it. Try to buy from an individual. Dealers dont even know what they have half the time and dont care for that matter. A private seller in my experience tends to be more honest. I have never been fooled on a used car but I have never bought a used car in my entire life from a car lot either.

Take you sweet time to find the right one. Look all the time to get a feel for prices. Dont feel pressured ever to do anything. I am pushing 50 so I am just trying to pass some words of wisdom on. I know how it feels to want a V8 Mustang believe me. Once you get behind the wheel its like majic. I feel like I am 18 again and even at times I have trouble keeping myself in check.

Good luck with your quest and keep working hard. Its going to pay off for you and I would like to be there when you get back from the journey home with your GT or what ever. You wont be able to wipe the smile off your face for a month.

I expect some major rebates will be coming up soon with the release of the 5.0. Stang sales are down and the Camaro is doing very very well. Keep your eyes peeled in the next few months. There is not a thing wrong with getting a stripped down GT with the 4.6. Good luck.

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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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graduated may 07, bought a new 07 fusion in june 07, AWD all options but nav. traded it this summer bought a 2010 GT prem coupe, options in my sig. im 24 it can be done with sound financial planning and a solid salary
(from the hard work) i also have student loans, live on my own etc. would i have wanted it to be cheaper hell ya but everyday day when i drive it i feel i got what i paid for. like others have said its in line with the market price for cars of its type. list all the 300+hp coupes out there, it might be dissapointing but it is what it is.
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 08:01 PM
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So, let's be clear. Ford is preparing a base v6 model that probably outperforms the 2010 GT for thousands less, and you're upset that you can't afford to load up a GT with all the options?
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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So, let's be clear. Ford is preparing a base v6 model that probably outperforms the 2010 GT for thousands less, and you're upset that you can't afford to load up a GT with all the options?
You make a good point that slipped my mind. However, it will not outperform the current GT in a strait line. No way, no how. Can you say torque? This argument was made when the 4.0 came finally with as much hp as the old 302. There was no and never will be substitute for raw torque and no 6 is going to equal a V8 naturally aspirated. The 302 will blow it away just like the current GT will blow a 304 hp V6 Camaro in the weeds.

With all of that said and I welcome a better V6 to finally be competitive, there is nothing like driving a V8 stang with the sound and lower end torque you feel. There is no substitute for me. But, the new cyclone V6 is going to be awesome at the same time. Go Ford!
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Old Nov 18, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by laserred38
Say 275 for V6. Puts it on par with V6 Camaro for perormance, leaves Chally in the dust.
Say 375 for GT. Puts it on par with the R/T in terms of hp, on par with SS in terms of performance.
Say 425 for Boss. Puts it on par with SS/SRT8 in terms of hp, leaves them both in the dust.
Say 555 for GT500. Untouchable.

Now make them these prices for coupes:
V6 base 22k, fully loaded 26k.
GT base 26k, fully loaded 36k.
GT500 base 45k, fully loaded 52k.

Ford and the Mustang would make it game over for the Camaro and Chally.
This is exactly what I've been thinking and hoping for but with maybe a few more hp for the V6 (that engine has room for tuning and can make around 300hp with out too much). I'm loving Ford lately! I'm glad we're getting Brembo's I'm excited to see how balanced this car will be once it has the magic 6-speed, 400hp, Brembo's and Track Pack formula is applied. 2011 MY is gonna be great!!!

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