2010 power ratings
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First off, I love Fords, Period. I have had 6 Mustangs.
But enough, enough is enough.
5.0 motor? Twin Turbo Ecoboost V6? Whatever..... I wont believe it until I see it.
Where is Fourcam? He has been kind of quiet lately.
Sorry, I am just a little pissed right now after reading through this entire thread. Yeah the Challenger is heavy, yeah the Camaro is heavy....... But come on WTF is going on at Ford????
Yeah the current (STOCK), Mustang GT is lighter , YES I SAID STOCK, but what the hell is that gonna matter against an SS Camaro next year, or a modded V6/RS???
I am going to sum it up like this, Chrysler has come out with a freaking SRT 8 425HP Hemi in just about every **** model they have right off the bat...... Chevy Comes out with a V6 Camaro with 300HP and an SS with 422HP right off the bat........Ford??? a 300HP GT and a 500HP GT500 that we had to wait nearly an entire year for and it can barely hold its own against a stock C6 Vette.
Oh wait, Im Sorry we got a Bullitt with a tune and lowered suspension.............
Yeah the Mustang is a platform, and yes the aftermarket for the car is Huge, no question about it, but am I really that far off base here???? am I asking for too much, am I on crack??
And yes I am aware that not everyone on the planet earth wants a car with a milliion HP under the hood............ But if that is so much the case, then WTF is going on over at Chevy and Chrysler?? I guess they are just playing around in dream land with all their high HP cars, and Ford is right and I'm wrong. Flame on!!!!!!
Honestly though, lets all hope for the best at Ford. Thats really all we can do.
But enough, enough is enough.
5.0 motor? Twin Turbo Ecoboost V6? Whatever..... I wont believe it until I see it.
Where is Fourcam? He has been kind of quiet lately.
Sorry, I am just a little pissed right now after reading through this entire thread. Yeah the Challenger is heavy, yeah the Camaro is heavy....... But come on WTF is going on at Ford????
Yeah the current (STOCK), Mustang GT is lighter , YES I SAID STOCK, but what the hell is that gonna matter against an SS Camaro next year, or a modded V6/RS???
I am going to sum it up like this, Chrysler has come out with a freaking SRT 8 425HP Hemi in just about every **** model they have right off the bat...... Chevy Comes out with a V6 Camaro with 300HP and an SS with 422HP right off the bat........Ford??? a 300HP GT and a 500HP GT500 that we had to wait nearly an entire year for and it can barely hold its own against a stock C6 Vette.
Oh wait, Im Sorry we got a Bullitt with a tune and lowered suspension.............
Yeah the Mustang is a platform, and yes the aftermarket for the car is Huge, no question about it, but am I really that far off base here???? am I asking for too much, am I on crack??
And yes I am aware that not everyone on the planet earth wants a car with a milliion HP under the hood............ But if that is so much the case, then WTF is going on over at Chevy and Chrysler?? I guess they are just playing around in dream land with all their high HP cars, and Ford is right and I'm wrong. Flame on!!!!!!
Honestly though, lets all hope for the best at Ford. Thats really all we can do.
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Lets just hope the '10 Mustang looks good also. The HP does not mean anything if it looks bad. Look at the GTO or G8GT. No matter how much HP they have i would not be caught dead driving one because of its looks. Let it beat me but my car still looks better. I want a car that looks the part.
The Challenger looks great as the original yet the Camaro has a cartoonish look as it was modeled after Lightning Mqueen. The average person buys the Mustang because of its looks not so much the HP. If HP was such a factor the GTO should have been a smash.
The Challenger looks great as the original yet the Camaro has a cartoonish look as it was modeled after Lightning Mqueen. The average person buys the Mustang because of its looks not so much the HP. If HP was such a factor the GTO should have been a smash.
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Doubt very much that'll happen.
While I can't say 100% that it'll NEVER happen... too much is riding on the 5.0 program and a lot of the work is already done.
A 5.4 with its weight and current condition compared to the new engine are worlds apart, and would be a step backwards.
Bite your tongue
You'll definately want even the non-GDI 5.0 over the 5.4....
Count on the 5.0, the potential is awsome....
While I can't say 100% that it'll NEVER happen... too much is riding on the 5.0 program and a lot of the work is already done.
A 5.4 with its weight and current condition compared to the new engine are worlds apart, and would be a step backwards.
Bite your tongue
You'll definately want even the non-GDI 5.0 over the 5.4....
Count on the 5.0, the potential is awsome....
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I would be happy with a 400hp 5.4L Mach1.
Now is not the time for Ford to ignore the Mustang. They knew GM & Dodge were bringing back their Muscle cars, plus the FWD V6 Jap cars are nearly as fast as the Mustang GT!
The Mustang is one of the few "hits" Ford has going for them.
My source at Ford told me back in March, that the new GDI V8 would be ready in Feb. 2010 for the 2011MY Mustang. I haven't spoken to him in months, but if things have slowed down, and we are going to get a new non-GDI V8? I say why bother? Just use the 5.4L until the new GDI V8 is ready. It doesn't make good business sense to be working on two V8's, when you are only going to kill one of them off in the near future. Unless somehow you can mod the non-GDI into a GDI.
Now is not the time for Ford to ignore the Mustang. They knew GM & Dodge were bringing back their Muscle cars, plus the FWD V6 Jap cars are nearly as fast as the Mustang GT!
The Mustang is one of the few "hits" Ford has going for them.
My source at Ford told me back in March, that the new GDI V8 would be ready in Feb. 2010 for the 2011MY Mustang. I haven't spoken to him in months, but if things have slowed down, and we are going to get a new non-GDI V8? I say why bother? Just use the 5.4L until the new GDI V8 is ready. It doesn't make good business sense to be working on two V8's, when you are only going to kill one of them off in the near future. Unless somehow you can mod the non-GDI into a GDI.
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Doubt very much that'll happen.
While I can't say 100% that it'll NEVER happen... too much is riding on the 5.0 program and a lot of the work is already done.
A 5.4 with its weight and current condition compared to the new engine are worlds apart, and would be a step backwards.
Bite your tongue
You'll definately want even the non-GDI 5.0 over the 5.4....
Count on the 5.0, the potential is awsome....
While I can't say 100% that it'll NEVER happen... too much is riding on the 5.0 program and a lot of the work is already done.
A 5.4 with its weight and current condition compared to the new engine are worlds apart, and would be a step backwards.
Bite your tongue
You'll definately want even the non-GDI 5.0 over the 5.4....
Count on the 5.0, the potential is awsome....
Your posts give me hope however that the competition will force Ford to rally and give us the 5.0
GDI or not the 5.0 could take the stang to the next level and hopefully, regardless of HP rating,
have better 1/4 mile times than the camaro ss etc.
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things I learned while reading this thread:
And all of you have completely forgotten what the mustang is supposed to be.
The mustang always has been, and I wish I could say always will be the affordable muscle car for the average joe and I think that will remain the norm, I doubt ford will put out a GT that will cost more then the high 20k mark. As much as I would love to see the mustang trounce anything GM can put out historically camaros have usually put out better numbers but the mustang seems to sell just fine regardless.
And all of you have completely forgotten what the mustang is supposed to be.
The mustang always has been, and I wish I could say always will be the affordable muscle car for the average joe and I think that will remain the norm, I doubt ford will put out a GT that will cost more then the high 20k mark. As much as I would love to see the mustang trounce anything GM can put out historically camaros have usually put out better numbers but the mustang seems to sell just fine regardless.
That being said, I strongly recommend that you read all posts in the entire thread, before posting your remarks/opinions.
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Maybe things have changed since March? I won't know until I speak to my source or Ford releases some official info.
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Say there are 2 versions of the engine...PFI and GDI.
The PFI would be the one we see first, and wait till the new platform to move up to the GDI version.
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....I hope the rumours about the 5.0 are true, but history and the current financial climate leads me to believe that the same thing that happened with the 03 Mach1 & 03 Cobra will most likely happen again. Ford, wanting to save time and money, will walk over to SVT, take the 5.4 off the shelf, remove the SC, tweak the intake, put it in a glorified GT package, add some decals and call it a BOSS mustang.
What sort of improvements can we expect from the PFI 5.0 to GDI 5.0? Significantly more HP? Significantly more MPG? Or significantly better moddability?
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The '03 Mach and Cobra had solid engine programs. I would not characterize them as grab 'em off the shelf exercises. Shakers and superchargers were not dusted off and instant cars delivered. They might have shared certain parts, but there was work to put those powertrains in fairly enhanced vehicles.
I understand what you are saying though.
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That helped the business case!
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When you are adding stuff like GDI you are increasing engine efficency, the gains of hp and mpg go hand in hand. you are making that engine make better use of the fuel so in in crusing you are using fuel to make the same hp to cruise and then when pushing it you are using same fuel for greater hp.
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Needs to be more Astony
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The '03 Mach and Cobra had solid engine programs. I would not characterize them as grab 'em off the shelf exercises. Shakers and superchargers were not dusted off and instant cars delivered. They might have shared certain parts, but there was work to put those powertrains in fairly enhanced vehicles.
You can imagine the techs and designers in a meeting screaming for new and different parts etc, and the accountants screaming "use you what you got!".........ie, current parts available, GT, Shelby, F150, Navigator etc.
Believe me, I hope Im wrong. When I was growing up and could barely afford a stock Mustang GT and had no money for mods etc...the stock Z28's were constantly beating me in the 1/4 mile.....
With 300HP V6 Camaro......Ford needs to give us the 5.0 (or more) program by 2010, or risk playing catch up.....again.
Hopefully by November the 2010 will debut with the good news we are all waiting for
