isnt that the avg price of a car right now? Why do you always focus on money? Might be a culture differance?

 

I doubt that people who bought Fusions and Escapes are "happy" with Fiesta sedan loaners, but I agree with you. Its important that Ford noticed the problem on time and will be able to fix it right away, instead of recalling millions of cars later on.

 

Maybe ... When you grew up in a third world poor country, you kinda appreciate every dollar earned/spent.
It worked pretty well for me so far, that's how I was able to afford a brand new Mustang when I was 16 by working weekends at McDonalds ...

To me everything does come to a price because no matter how good the product is, if its overpriced I won't like it.

Speaking of price, my local Ford dealers has rebates up to $5,000 on the 2012 Focus ... I've seen a brand new Focus Titanium for under $19,000 ... That's a really good buy, I wish I was in a market for a new car now...

 

Ford Reportedly in Talks with EPA About Hybrid Fuel Economy Test Procedures



Ford claims that hybrids are more sensitive to driving style than conventional vehicles, and that the company’s choice to give its models more powerful engines to retain a fun-to-drive feel can result in lower real-world mileage for aggressive drivers.


http://wot.motortrend.com/ford-repor...#axzz2EzepX4GO

 

Makes sense to me. If you can be a passive driver as much as possible you're going to get the highest. But the extra power is there for on ramps, passing, etc.
However, if you drive it like most of us drive our Mustangs, its going to be mostly a fuel burning vehicle. duh

 

Ford dealt class-action lawsuit over C-Max, Fusion hybrid mileage claims

http://green.autoblog.com/2012/12/26...hybrid-mileag/

 

2013 Ford Fusion Energi Gets 100 MPGe




http://wot.motortrend.com/2013-ford-...#axzz2GTaA2hTu

 

these people just want money and are jumping on a band wagon. Greedy jerks are messing this world up and will be the death of fun and freedom!!

 

This!!!!

 

I think the first time I saw this type of lawsuit was with Honda civic hybrid owners not getting advertised mpgs.

 

some people are dumb and think you should be able stomp on the gas every where you go and you should get 47 mpg. It also has to do with the blend of fuel you have in the area you live. It also has to do with how high you live and the weather.

 

I do agree, but at the same time some of these MPG claims are way off. In the Honda lawsuit, Honda couldn't even prove the MPG numbers of the civic hybrid.

 

The problem with the honda is ti was out of the ball park that was stated. These people are up in arms over 8 or so mpg.

 

I think in Honda's case, the problem were the batteries, which were losing their "power" pretty fast and they couldn't be recharged to 100%.

The last generation Fusion hybrid never had problems beating 41 mpg city rating ... It wasn't until the new Mk. 3 came out that problems with mileage started happening.
First it was multiple recalls on 1.6L engines, then gas mileage on hybrids ... What's next?

 

its the start of a ecoboost engine line in the usa and you think a few recalls are a big deal?? I think the hybrid thing will turn out to be a silly court thing that goes away fast.

also

Recall Date:
FEB 17, 2011


Model Affected:
2009 HONDA FIT


Summary:
HONDA IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2009-2010 HONDA FIT VEHICLES. THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR ONE OR MORE OF THE FOUR SPRING ASSEMBLIES ON THE ENGINE'S VARIABLE VALVE TIMING AND LIFT ELECTRONIC CONTROL (VTEC) SYSTEM TO FAIL.


Consequence:
A FAILURE OF THE SPRING ASSEMBLIES MAY CAUSE THE VEHICLE TO STALL DURING OPERATION INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.


Remedy:
DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND REPLACE THE SPRING ASSEMBLIES IN THE ENGINE IF NECESSARY FREE OF CHARGE. THE SAFETY RECALL BEGAN ON MARCH 7, 2011. OWNERS MAY CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009.


Potential Units Affected:
97201

 

Yup.

Like I have said it before, it's not a simple recalls like "light bulb might not work properly". Ford told their customers, who just spent a lot of money on a brand new car, "Don't drive it until the fix is available". Yeah, its a pretty big deal.

Ford had plenty of time to do the testing and get rid of all issues or at least get rid of major issues.

 

As I've stated before this is more of a Cover Your *** issue. They want to put that on the recall as protection in case someone has the specified issue and is hurt.

As for the plenty of time, again, wrong. They do lots of testing, but often times they just can't simulate the mileage, types of abuse, and different drivers that will occur in the real world.

 

You don't hear something like that very often. Obviously, chances are pretty high of something happening if Fusion and Escape owners drove their vehicles.
My F-150 had a recall for airbags, but Ford never said anything like that.

I still think the 2006-2012 Fusion is a better car overall that the 2013 Fusion. I never had a single problem (nor a single recall) on mine.

As for 1.6L EcoBoost engine, that engine has been available in the European Focus since 2010. Meaning that Ford had almost three years to perfect it and fix early issues.
And then pretty much as soon as the new Escape and Fusion (Ford's 2nd and 3rd best selling vehicles) came out - there are recalls. Add the whole issue with the fuel economy and things are not looking bright ...
By the way, it doesn't matter anymore whether Ford or Consumer Reports or whoever tested the Fusion Hybrid (and got 39 mpg overall) is right - the public will know that there was a "problem" and many drivers won't buy it simply because of that.

 

people (should) know there's problems with every vehicle that Toyota makes, and they still buy the junk in droves.

 

Moved Toyota topic posts into this thread . . . https://themustangsource.com/f647/to...2/#post6520856