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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 12:29 PM
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 04:51 PM
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Ok, I have been reading up on this and was wondering if it is connected to any problems with oil gauge or not? Seems to be 50/50 if it is or isn't??? I think it would be cool to have in my 06 Gt but i'm just curious if there are problems related to doing this?
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 08:59 PM
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In testing, we have not seen any issues with the oil pressure gauge. What we have seen is a short alarm on 05-09 cars equipped with 4-gauge / info center randomly popping up a low-oil pressure alert on startup. Once the car runs for a couple seconds, the alarm disappears. It is not constant, and it is difficult to determine when it will, or will not occur (cold / hot, sits, doesn't sit, etc). Trying to duplicate the circumstances, except using the key instead, does not trigger the alert.

That said, it's similar to watching "real" oil pressure gauges on a car for the first couple seconds after startup. If you have, you know that oil pressure is not instantaneous when the engine fires, especially if it starts quickly like most modern EFI engines do.

It's also interesting to note that 2010+ cars with 4 gauge cluster and info center have not exhibited this, so something additionaly may have changed in the software. In any case, since it does not interfere with normal operation of the car, or cause any issues, adding complexity to the kit and wiring would only drive the price point higher, something we are trying to avoid in this current economic climate everyone seems to be part of.
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Old Sep 11, 2011 | 09:26 PM
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Thanks for the reply, Sounds like some type of RANDOM glitch with the computer?? But also sounds like there are no long term affects with having this feature, Which was a concern of mine. Looks like i will be ordering
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 08:15 AM
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Is installation similar to these instructions?
http://www.cherod.com/mustang/HowTo/Start%20Button3.htm
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 02:02 PM
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Basic installation is similar, but there is no need to dremel the center console with our button, and there is one extra wire, as well as a couple options as to how it is wired. But yes, they are relatively similar. We're working on getting that up today as well, if it doesn't make it onto the site, I'll have it up tomorrow afternoon sometime. Normally we would've done all this and *then* released it, but you guys were waiting so long, we kind of did this release backwards of normal...
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverHorseRacing
In testing, we have not seen any issues with the oil pressure gauge. What we have seen is a short alarm on 05-09 cars equipped with 4-gauge / info center randomly popping up a low-oil pressure alert on startup. Once the car runs for a couple seconds, the alarm disappears. It is not constant, and it is difficult to determine when it will, or will not occur (cold / hot, sits, doesn't sit, etc). Trying to duplicate the circumstances, except using the key instead, does not trigger the alert.

That said, it's similar to watching "real" oil pressure gauges on a car for the first couple seconds after startup. If you have, you know that oil pressure is not instantaneous when the engine fires, especially if it starts quickly like most modern EFI engines do.

It's also interesting to note that 2010+ cars with 4 gauge cluster and info center have not exhibited this, so something additionaly may have changed in the software. In any case, since it does not interfere with normal operation of the car, or cause any issues, adding complexity to the kit and wiring would only drive the price point higher, something we are trying to avoid in this current economic climate everyone seems to be part of.
The 05-09 stangs don't have regular oil pressure sending units. In the past I've had to install a real sending unit to provide real oil pressure to my new aeroforce guage. The OEM sending unit begins as an open circuit and upon startup any amount of oil pressure just causes the circuit to complete the "ground connection". Typically, after installing a real sending unit for an aftermarket guage, you can just permanently ground the wire that used to attach to the OE sending unit / switch, which makes your oil pressure gauge (on 6-guage dash) to remain in the normal oil pressure range upon turn the key to the "on" position.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SoFL05GT
The 05-09 stangs don't have regular oil pressure sending units. In the past I've had to install a real sending unit to provide real oil pressure to my new aeroforce guage. The OEM sending unit begins as an open circuit and upon startup any amount of oil pressure just causes the circuit to complete the "ground connection". Typically, after installing a real sending unit for an aftermarket guage, you can just permanently ground the wire that used to attach to the OE sending unit / switch, which makes your oil pressure gauge (on 6-guage dash) to remain in the normal oil pressure range upon turn the key to the "on" position.
You are absolutely correct, just like the factory prints show. The problem is, a "simple" solution of grounding the circuit at the same time the button is depressed to trick the computer during startup would be difficult achieve without adding either a relay or solid-state circuit to the mix, either of which driving up cost and complexity.

Sometimes, the level of complexity they throw at these cars makes me crazy - it would be so nice to go back to the days when the instrument cluster wasn't an integral part of drivetrain controls, radios were not multi-piece units spread out throughout the car and also integrated into powertrain, etc, etc... But I digress... we'll just have to live within the parameters that are set forth for us, that's all.
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Old Sep 12, 2011 | 11:34 PM
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I have the six gauge cluster in my 05. The only time I get the alarm is if I dont start the car before the needle drops BACK about half way. Once the car is started, withen a second or so the needle goes up to normal.
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverHorseRacing
Basic installation is similar, but there is no need to dremel the center console with our button, and there is one extra wire, as well as a couple options as to how it is wired. But yes, they are relatively similar. We're working on getting that up today as well, if it doesn't make it onto the site, I'll have it up tomorrow afternoon sometime. Normally we would've done all this and *then* released it, but you guys were waiting so long, we kind of did this release backwards of normal...
Sounds good. The more specific the better for electrical idiots like myself.

Just placed my order for the blue button!!
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ETNOATS
I have the six gauge cluster in my 05. The only time I get the alarm is if I dont start the car before the needle drops BACK about half way. Once the car is started, withen a second or so the needle goes up to normal.
So to be clear - you have a start button, and if the car starts prior to the oil gauge sweeping back past the halfway point there is no alarm, but if it sweeps to high, then back to low and you start, the alarm is triggered until the gauge is "forced" back up by the pressure switch? If that's the case, it is interesting...
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverHorseRacing
So to be clear - you have a start button, and if the car starts prior to the oil gauge sweeping back past the halfway point there is no alarm, but if it sweeps to high, then back to low and you start, the alarm is triggered until the gauge is "forced" back up by the pressure switch? If that's the case, it is interesting...
After rereading it thats close. Once the key is turned to RUN the gauge starts to move. Over a couple seconds goes upto about half and then drops back to zero. If I start the car as its going up its fine. If I wait till it drops and its close to a quarter on the gauge it continues to drop and the alarm goes off. I have mine wired for the switch only. Hope that clears it up. One of these days Im going to hook it back up to normal and see if its any different.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:37 PM
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Thank you. The next time we have the 05 test car at our shop I'll check this out and report back if it responds the same, it would be my guess it will, but let's confirm...
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 09:49 AM
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Are wire taps used for install or by chance does it use a sexy harness?
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 10:21 AM
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A sexy harness would require a custom molded female connector which does not exist from the OEM side of things. To create the piece, then add another OEM male connector to the mix, times 2 different connections would end up making this kit much more than any other solution out there, not less, so it was decided to go with the taps for the three connections required to keep it affordable for everyone.

If the female connector existed already, we would have gone that route, or more likely offered a "plug n play" as well as a "splice in" version at two different prices, allowing the customer to decide.

Hope that clears up why make the kit the way we do.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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I was looking for the instructions on the website and can't find them ...

I'd like to how complex it is to connect wit the light option and all the panels that need to be removed...
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 11:25 AM
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http://www.silverhorseracing.com/ins...structions.pdf

Just had to update the pages and files online
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 06:40 PM
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Looks good.

I have an 05. Is it too tough for me to have the button sit flush with the panel, or inset into the opening, as the Honda button does?
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Old Sep 20, 2011 | 10:24 AM
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While an adapter mount could be made to recess it the way you want, it's not something we have any plans to do at this time. You could open up the hole in the radio plate and bond the button to the plate from behind with epoxy or similar, but it wouldn't be my first choice - plus it doesn't really sit out that far when installed since the pocket is recessed a bit. You could always paint the bezel black (it is removable) if the chrome is bothering you.
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 11:31 PM
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Just thought I would give a update..I received the push button start kit and I installed it without trouble in 45 minutes( instructions were precise and exact )..I wired it to work with the illumination to go out when the park brake released (manual Trans) and the key is still fully functional. I am happy to report no oil pressure problems (codes) and light on switch is excellent.
I am a happy customer. Thanks Silver Horse Racing for another excellent product.
Mark.
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