iceman241

No i said i wouldnt bring mods in the conversation and i didnt you have to bring price in the conversation cause think about the corvette and shelby will basically have the same hp but things like wieght and other stuff will hurt it but not by much but when 2 vehicles basically have the same hp how can you not bring how much they cost in the conversation? Carrol shelby is smart he is making a car that will cost alot less look a heck of alot better then basically any car on the road and have the performance of cars that cost twice as much no wonder people like his cars so much and i can promise you if the GT500 gets 500hp for 39grand not only will this be the first car to have 500hp if it does get that much it will be talked about for years and years.

iceman241

What i meant to say is if the GT500 gets 500hp it will be the frist car to have 500hp for 39grand.

iceman241

I really hope the GT500 gets 500hp but i believe it wont i believe it will be really close though.

Auburnman

Wishful thinking.......The price will be more like $60K....Only problem will be the availability....But of course the Shelby 500 will be limited availability as well.

time will tell

sknapp302

This dealer link states that it will have a base price of $75,000, but look at the cost of its competitors.

C6-Z06 Info

max2000jp

The comparison of the GT500 and C6 Z06 will happen, but in the end the Z06 will blow the doors off the Shelby. The Shelby is a straight line car and the Z06 is a total package. Look at the technology built into the Z06 and you can see where it was designed to run....the track. Of course there is quite a price difference, but I don't think Ford could build a car to match the C6 Z06 at its estimated price.

iceman241

Max there is noway the z06 will blow the doors off the GT500 and how do you know what the GT500 is capable of doing its not even out it could have better handling and everything that the Z06 doesnt have noone knows cause it isnt out. The only thing the z06 has going for it is the wieght if the GT500 wieghed as much as the Z06 i bet anything the GT500 would keep up with the Z06.

AbusiveWombat

Iceman, it's time to come to grips that the Corvette platform is superior to the Mustang's. Even if the two were majically the same weight the corvette would still be superior. Why?
- The engine for the Z06 is smaller which aids in lowering the car's overall center of gravity
- The engine and transmission are placed between the axles which provides better polar momentum
- The corvette has superior weight distribution
- IRS is superior to SRA
- The corvette sits lower which also aids in the overall center of gravity
- The corvette has superior aerodynamics

So, while a GT500 with the same weight as a C6 Z06 would be close to the Z06 in acceleration (it still wouldn't match it because of aerodynamics), the Z06 would still out handle the Mustang. It's OK, the Mustang was never designed to be the track star that the Z06 is.

max2000jp

Do the math 3179 lbs and 505 hp for the z06 vs. 3800+ lbs and est. 450 hp. The GT is a match for the Z06, not the GT500.

V10

Hate to break your hearts, guys, but C&D did NOT drive the GT-500 concept. What they drove was a GT-500 test mule, the same one that we've seen photos of before. See photos on page 46 of July C&D.

Fazm

Ya i know, i have the magazine too. Im sure MM&FF will get that thing in the mid to high 11's. Didnt they get an 03 cobra to run 12.3 off the floor?

iceman241

Again wombat when did you get to drive the GT500 so how do you know how much better or worse it is to the Z06 thats all i have to say. We will see when they test drive them trust me the corvette is going down it wont lose but it wont be able to stomp on the mustang like it has been doing in the past its time for the mustang to take back its pride thankyou so much carrol shelby for making a car like this now corvette fans will be watching there back.

iceman241

I really cant wait for next year when the times come out and i can say told you so.

iceman241

Ok max look at the GT500 est about 11.6 11.7 maybe lower z06 est 11.1 or lower looks like a good race to me. I can bet you anything the Gt500 times will be in the 11s for sure.

sknapp302

I think it is important to note the difference between GM and Ford when it comes to rating HP. The new ZO6 engine was currently in Society of Automotive Engineers Magazine (SAE) which states that the engine was tested at a dyno facility which meets standardized test conditions. The motor made 505 horsepower in front of SAE officials who witnessed the testing performed to this standard. Ford on the other hand have fudged their numbers for whatever reason, time and time again. Just look at the following link:

Enzo v. GT v. Porsche

Now compare the Enzo to the GT, and tell me how the heavier 550hp Ford GT can hang with the lighter 650hp Enzo,

The answer- the Ford GT has closer to 650hp, you can confirm by doing the math.
3458 lbs + driver ran 11.2 @ 131 = 650 hp.

Considering the Ford GT engine is very close to the GT500 engine, Ford would have to purposely decide to be slower than the 505hp Z06 in a straight line. Solid axle is also superior in a drag racing format.

Additionally, recent events have shown that the solid axle Mustang is no slouch on the track either, look at the results from Daytona, 1st and 2nd in their first outing!

If Ford wants to they can make the GT500 hang with the Z06, right now they have all the tools to do so. To be completely honest, I would be amazed if the production GT500 could keep up with the Z06 on a road course. But in a straight line? Please, this is the Mustang's territory, have some faith!

sknapp302

That would explain the 3850lb weight they reported, I remember seeing that thing filled with all kinds of test equipment in earily photographs

iceman241

People dont understand that the shelby is not a ordinary cobra this is going to be the car the numeral uno. Corvette people dont think it will be almost as fast as the corvette but this car will whip up on the corvettes right now and keep up with the new Z06 when it comes out there is noway the Z06 will blow the doors off this car you actually think carrol shelby will let his name be put on a car that wont be able to beat almost any car out there look at the past has he put his name on a car that hasnt been a classic why would he start now he helped build the vipers and helped out with the Ford GT and now this car every car he has helped out in has been big sellers and has beaten cars twice as much as them.

Boomer

Someones reality cheque is bouncing....

donkey

C6 running 11.5 for your viewing pleasure:
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?f...28,z24&t=browse

max2000jp

Exactly. I love my GT and the Shelby sounds most awesome, but give credit where it's due. Nobody has tested the C6 Z06, but it will be near Ford GT performance at a fraction of the cost. The GT500 will be slower in a straight line and get waxed on a road course. I don't think a lot of people on this forum know how fast a C5 Z06 is, especially on a road course.