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Old 6/6/05, 03:46 PM
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Does anyone know the speed for the FordGT in the quarter i want to see how much the new z06 will keep up with it since the z06 could be running 10s but i doubt it will i know it will for sure be running low 11s.
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Old 6/6/05, 03:47 PM
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Kansascity i bet you the GT500 wont be 1 second behind the Z06 i bet it will be closer then 1 second behind it in the quarter.
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Originally posted by iceman241@June 6, 2005, 3:19 PM
KansasCity did you read 68notchs post even he agrees with me that the production shelby will get in the 11s how much in the 11s i dont know but i can promise you MM&FF will get it in the 11s do the calculations people thankyou for agreeing with me 68notch.
Yeah, he was basing that on the GT500's 116 trap speed, the Z06 trap speed was 127.
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so that information they gave in the magazine is useless anyone else agree?
I don't think it is useless,

The Shelby GT500 will be almost identical to the concept, with equal or better performance. Do you really think that Ford would give this car to Car&Driver if they knew that the production car would not perform equally or better? SVT is not in the business of bursting peoples bubbles (excluding 1999 Cobra:bang: which was recalled for performance improvements). I believe that the production car will perform equally or better than the concept. But for the sake of argument, consider a range of values for weight and HP beyond the concept values, say +- 300 lbs and +-50 HP.

Car&Driver Reported ET: 12.5 at 116 weighing 3850lbs + driver (170lbs) = 4020lbs and approximately 500HP

At 3720lbs and 550HP (assume min weight max HP) ET = 11.02 123 mph potential

At 4320lbs and 450HP (assume max weight and min HP) ET = 12.38 @ 110 mph potential. (still better E.T. than reported by C&D)

The day Ford makes a 4000lb mustang is the day I buy a Subaru.

If anything, Ford will offer a lighter than 3850lb GT500 with a slightly detuned engine from the concept which will result in the same or better performance number reported by Car&Driver.

So Car&Driver confirmed what everyone expected, the car is going to flat out perform. Hopefully Ford will not make this vehicle ridiculously heavy, if so we will have ourselves the cheapest priced super-car ever built .
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Old 6/6/05, 08:53 PM
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What i dont get is the 4 second flat 0-60 but a 12.5 in the quarter mile.

the 03 cobra with less horsepower posted 0-60 times in the mid to high 4's but was capable of 12.4's at the track.

I personally think they were going "easy" on the test mule because of it being 1 or 2 (or 10?) of a kind.
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Old 6/7/05, 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by freebass55@June 6, 2005, 12:52 PM

Either that, or
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I think that the special edition Corvette (Z06, etc.) will always outperform the best Mustang from the factory on a year-to-year comparison. GM would not allow a pony car to outperform their beloved halo vehicle. They will just add expensive engine mods to the car until it outperforms the Mustang and then tack on the additional expense onto the M.S.R.P. so that the Corvette legend lives on, at the customer’s expense of course. By the way, isn’t that what it is doing right now?

I can’t wait to get my GT500, 4.10 gears, pulley/chip, and drag radials. Myself and three passengers are going to point and laugh our asses off when it blows the doors off of the $75,000 ZO6.

How cool its it though, living in another era of horsepower wars, where will it stop? Being a teenager in the 80s, I always felt I got jipped not getting to grow up in the late 60s and early 70s when cars were cool. Now we have another cool era of cars, and I might actually be able to afford a GT500. God I just hope we don’t have to live through another energy crisis era like the late 70-80s.
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Originally posted by sknapp302@June 7, 2005, 7:12 PM
I think that the special edition Corvette (Z06, etc.) will always outperform the best Mustang from the factory on a year-to-year comparison. GM would not allow a pony car to outperform their beloved halo vehicle. They will just add expensive engine mods to the car until it outperforms the Mustang and then tack on the additional expense onto the M.S.R.P. so that the Corvette legend lives on, at the customer’s expense of course. By the way, isn’t that what it is doing right now?

I can’t wait to get my GT500, 4.10 gears, pulley/chip, and drag radials. Myself and three passengers are going to point and laugh our asses off when it blows the doors off of the $75,000 ZO6.

How cool its it though, living in another era of horsepower wars, where will it stop? Being a teenager in the 80s, I always felt I got jipped not getting to grow up in the late 60s and early 70s when cars were cool. Now we have another cool era of cars, and I might actually be able to afford a GT500. God I just hope we don’t have to live through another energy crisis era like the late 70-80s.
The deal is, no matter what, you are still talking about the difference between a Vette and a Stang. The Vette has always been a much more upscale car. You could make the same argument about modding a Shelby, and it would hang with a 911 Turbo, but I would still rather have the non-modded 911. There is just no comparison between the Mustang and the Vette, and any attempt to do so is futile. You are comparing a 25k vs. 45k car in the base trim or a 40k vs. a 75k car with the Shelby and Z06. Performance is not the only indicator of a car. The Vette is just a superior car to a Mustang. There is nothing wrong with that. Us Mustang owners paid a lot less, so it is okay. But I don't understand this need to draw comparisons between cars that are not in the same league. We may as well compare the luxury value of a Toyota and Mercedes. Like I said, I love my stang, but I am smart enough to realize it is not, and will never compete with a vette. It is not meant to.
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The article also said that the Cobra will pull mid .90 g's. Is this going to be possible with that much weight?
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The deal is, no matter what, you are still talking about the difference between a Vette and a Stang. The Vette has always been a much more upscale car. You could make the same argument about modding a Shelby, and it would hang with a 911 Turbo, but I would still rather have the non-modded 911. There is just no comparison between the Mustang and the Vette, and any attempt to do so is futile. You are comparing a 25k vs. 45k car in the base trim or a 40k vs. a 75k car with the Shelby and Z06. Performance is not the only indicator of a car. The Vette is just a superior car to a Mustang. There is nothing wrong with that. Us Mustang owners paid a lot less, so it is okay. But I don't understand this need to draw comparisons between cars that are not in the same league. We may as well compare the luxury value of a Toyota and Mercedes. Like I said, I love my stang, but I am smart enough to realize it is not, and will never compete with a vette. It is not meant to.
I'm still going to laugh my hiney off, I am not making a comparioson, Im just predicting what the performance of MY GT500 will be. By the way, I own a C5 Corvette, and I would rather drive any of the 10 mustangs that I have owned over the years, to the big plastic turd in my garage called a Corvette! To all those who love mustangs but never picked up a wrench to make it faster, you missing out.
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Originally posted by sknapp302@June 7, 2005, 9:54 PM
I'm still going to laugh my hiney off, I am not making a comparioson, Im just predicting what the performance of MY GT500 will be. By the way, I own a C5 Corvette, and I would rather drive any of the 10 mustangs that I have owned over the years, to the big plastic turd in my garage called a Corvette! To all those who love mustangs but never picked up a wrench to make it faster, you missing out.
Can I have the vette then if you don't want it?
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Old 6/8/05, 07:39 AM
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Sure, I'll trade you for your mustang.

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Old 6/8/05, 09:23 AM
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Ok this is so funny because i just read the article where they said they drove test drove the shelby but from what i read it doesnt sound like they did let me quote some of the stuff they said in the article " Pressed on this issue, O'Connell said "between 450 and 500 hp how's that? Our tech staff warmed up the calculators and figured a forcast of 475hp at 6000rpm. We may be low." End of quote now does that sound like they test drove it no they are just calculating numbers here not giving actual numbers and they go on to say " O'Connell is confident the GT500 will sprint to 60 mph in "less than 4.5 seconds," even with its tallish 3.31:1 rear-axle ratio. We expect that when we put the spurs to a test car early next year a 0-to-60 number will come up in four seconds flat, and the quarter-mile will be 12.5 seconds at 116mph. For perspective, those runs would be representative times for a C6 corvette. End of quote now where in the magazine that says they got actual numbers nowhere because they never gave actual numbers just est and plus it isnt the actual production car so i predict much lower times and mustang will always be better then corvettes they give you more bang for your buck and corvettes have had the same body style for about 40s change your body style for god sakes. Ether way you put it the mustang will come out on top it will be cheaper then the corvette and basically have the same hp the only thing that will hurt the mustang is the wieght but who cares the Shelby is going to look alot hotter then the corvette you know why cause shelbys have always looked hotter then any corvette. Trust me when people actually test drive both the GT500 and corvette the times wont be that far apart and that right there will make people want the GT500 who wants to spend a extra 35 grand when you can get the GT500 for alot less with almost the same performance.
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Old 6/8/05, 09:27 AM
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I predict when MM&FF drive both the cars the corvette is going to do the quarter in about 11.1 and the GT500 i predict about 11.6 or a 11.7 that sounds good lets see if im right when they test drive them
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Ok i agree with the production car being equal or have better performance but from reading the article where they said they test drove the shelby it sounds like they didnt because they never gave actual times they est that was what it would be able to do. Go read it yourself if you dont believe me why would they want to test drive it and not give the actual times makes no sence to me.
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Originally posted by iceman241@June 8, 2005, 9:30 AM
I predict when MM&FF drive both the cars the corvette is going to do the quarter in about 11.1 and the GT500 i predict about 11.6 or a 11.7 that sounds good lets see if im right when they test drive them
Once again, .5-.6 seconds is a pretty big margin in the 1/4 mile. I think that is the difference between an '04 and '05 GT, which as we all know, is a pretty big difference.
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Fazm the reason they said it could do 12.5 was just an est guess that is all no real actual numbers trust me it will do lower quarter miles then that it has to cause the man who built the GT500 already promised us in a magazine that it will outperform the 03--04 cobras so it has to do better then that. I bet it will get in the 11s for sure.
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I hope they take off more wieght then what the concept shelby wieghs to make it faster.
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Old 6/8/05, 09:42 AM
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Kansas how is that a big margine that is awsome for a car that is 35,000 less.
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Old 6/8/05, 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by iceman241@June 8, 2005, 9:45 AM
Kansas how is that a big margine that is awsome for a car that is 35,000 less.
I thought we agree that we were not going to bring money into the comparison IF we are talking about strict performance...no luxury, no price, no extra....just performance. It is VERY good when the price is included, but any dragracer will tell you, on the track, .6 seconds is a lot of time.
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