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Originally posted by TrueBlueCajun@April 13, 2005, 8:50 AM
Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered.
Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered.
Does the manufacturer's cost (inlcluding R&D, parts/labor, testing...) for optional equipment get passed directly to the people who order that option?
In other words, if Ford decides to make an auto tranny optional on the GT500, would the costs (inlcluding R&D, parts/labor, testing...) get passed on to all customers in the form of an overall higher MSRP (on the base model) in addition to charging for the option for those who order it. Or would Ford simply pass the buck to only those who order the auto tranny?
If the latter, then I'm all for having the option. But, if all us buying the GT500 with a manual have to pay a higher price, just to help Ford offset some of the costs to develop an optional auto tranny, then I might have to change my vote to "No, 6-Sp Manual Tranny Only".
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Originally posted by Auburnman+April 13, 2005, 2:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Auburnman @ April 13, 2005, 2:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TrueBlueCajun@April 13, 2005, 8:50 AM
Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered.
Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered.
Does the manufacturer's cost (inlcluding R&D, parts/labor, testing...) for optional equipment get passed directly to the people who order that option?
In other words, if Ford decides to make an auto tranny optional on the GT500, would the costs (inlcluding R&D, parts/labor, testing...) get passed on to all customers in the form of an overall higher MSRP (on the base model) in addition to charging for the option for those who order it. Or would Ford simply pass the buck to only those who order the auto tranny?
If the latter, then I'm all for having the option. But, if all us buying the GT500 with a manual have to pay a higher price, just to help Ford offset some of the costs to develop an optional auto tranny, then I might have to change my vote to "No, 6-Sp Manual Tranny Only".
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Auburnman, that's something we may never know. I guess that would a good question for the engineers and bean counters.
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Originally posted by BEACHBOY@March 31, 2005, 6:25 PM
After reading down this thread I was a little nervous about posting my opinion. I think Ford should offer both options. I have a couple personal reasons why and they are personal. One, this is my third GT but first to have an auto. The auto in the 05 GT is just awsome and I love it, it gives me everthing I need in performance. I am not against manuals at all, I just chose the auto. because it didn't let me down performance wise.
Second, my wife loves the look, as I do of the 07 Cobra concept. The door is open now for selling the 05 and possibly purchasing a Cobra. If the Cobra's price points are within reason and the 05 is paid off or close to payoff it may be a go. Thats why I want options, I want to be able to choose which tranny to have in the car. Just a guys opinion and reasoning.
After reading down this thread I was a little nervous about posting my opinion. I think Ford should offer both options. I have a couple personal reasons why and they are personal. One, this is my third GT but first to have an auto. The auto in the 05 GT is just awsome and I love it, it gives me everthing I need in performance. I am not against manuals at all, I just chose the auto. because it didn't let me down performance wise.
Second, my wife loves the look, as I do of the 07 Cobra concept. The door is open now for selling the 05 and possibly purchasing a Cobra. If the Cobra's price points are within reason and the 05 is paid off or close to payoff it may be a go. Thats why I want options, I want to be able to choose which tranny to have in the car. Just a guys opinion and reasoning.
I was doing research last night about blowers and turbos. A guy from Kenne Bell said the current GT 5 sp Auto is really only durable up to about 400hp.If that is the case , the new 6 sp auto needs to be a performance piece. Something
as bullet proof as the C-6. Kenne Bell now sells 620hp and there will be twin turbo kits from somebody. One guy said he has built a Navigator 4V 5.4 up to 800 hp with 2 turbos. The Lightning F-150 crowd has come up with some good stuff , but I'm thinking we need a "car" transmission for the GT-500.
P.S....please bicker somewhere else.
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Originally posted by TrueBlueCajun@April 13, 2005, 7:50 AM
Here's my two cents (if that much) on this....People complained in the past of the weight the '03-'04 Cobras carried, now you want IRS and auto and/or SMG technology on this new Cobra? Throw in the IRS + Auto and this car would weigh close to 4000 lbs plus add even more $$$$ to this vehicle that's already rumored to be around $50k with dealer markups. Previous SVT Cobras NEVER had an auto option so my question is why add one now? I can see the argument about the IRS since previous models had them, but why on earth would Ford put an auto trans. in a car that never had an auto in it since it's conception in '93. Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered. The SVT Cobra was always a great hp/cost vehicle. Start adding options and that ratio goes down. I guess Ford could offer an Auto option to buyers that order Cobras only. I'd also require a non-refundable down payment incase these owners back out of their orders and the dealership has a Cobra sitting on their lot costing them money. I say if you want to play...you've got to pay.
Here's my two cents (if that much) on this....People complained in the past of the weight the '03-'04 Cobras carried, now you want IRS and auto and/or SMG technology on this new Cobra? Throw in the IRS + Auto and this car would weigh close to 4000 lbs plus add even more $$$$ to this vehicle that's already rumored to be around $50k with dealer markups. Previous SVT Cobras NEVER had an auto option so my question is why add one now? I can see the argument about the IRS since previous models had them, but why on earth would Ford put an auto trans. in a car that never had an auto in it since it's conception in '93. Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered. The SVT Cobra was always a great hp/cost vehicle. Start adding options and that ratio goes down. I guess Ford could offer an Auto option to buyers that order Cobras only. I'd also require a non-refundable down payment incase these owners back out of their orders and the dealership has a Cobra sitting on their lot costing them money. I say if you want to play...you've got to pay.
You must be very naive if you think Ford doesn't have the technology available to produce an auto trans capable of handling the power of GT500. I'd be surprised if they haven't already developed something, making availability simply a question for the marketing department who's only question will be "we wonder if people will buy it". As you can see by the votes, people will buy it, probably lots of them. And as for IRS, this post isn't about IRS and it's a given that IRS is out of the question so let's drop that issue or raise it somewhere else. And as for Shelby Cobra's not having an auto trans in the past, perhaps you're only 20 or something but if you travel back further than 1993 (maybe to the 60's) you'd find that Shelby Cobra's DID have automatic transmissions as an option. SVT's - no, but real Shelby's - YES! And as for your comment on Auto Trans buyers having to put down a non-refundable deposit - how stupid! You must consider auto trans people really unstable - running rampant from dealer to dealer ordering (potential) Shelby Cobra auto's with the sole intention of backing out of their deals??? Give your head a shake.
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Throw in the IRS + Auto and this car would weigh close to 4000 lbs
The BMW M3 has IRS and an SMG and its weight it's not even close to 4000 lbs (it's around 3570 Lbs), if BMW can do it, Ford can too...
plus add even more $$$$ to this vehicle that's already rumored to be around $50k with dealer markups.
And in case the novelty would NOT wear off, the Cobra is still a longshot from any other car that has at least 450 hp as far as the price is concerned...therefore it still remains a BARGAIN even at 50k.
Previous SVT Cobras NEVER had an auto option so my question is why add one now?
B) also because if you check the results of the poll in this topic, you will see that over 62 % of the people that answered want either an auto or an smg...Democracy should win...
Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand
I still don't understand why people are against having an OPTION. Heck, if they would offer the possibility to have a microwave in a Cobra, I sure wouldn't want it, but for God's sake, someone might want it and therefore why not ? It would make someone happy and still produce more profit for Ford: everyone's happy...
The SVT Cobra was always a great hp/cost vehicle. Start adding options and that ratio goes down.
Again, if you decide NOT to have a certain option, that "ratio" will not go down, but instead it will just stay where it is...
I'd also require a non-refundable down payment incase these owners back out of their orders and the dealership has a Cobra sitting on their lot costing them money.
PS: if they really make 5000-7500 Cobras at a projected price of 39k, I frankly believe not ONE of them will sit on a dealership lot for more than a couple of minutes...
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You must be very naive if you think Ford doesn't have the technology available to produce an auto trans capable of handling the power of GT500. I'd be surprised if they haven't already developed something, making availability simply a question for the marketing department who's only question will be "we wonder if people will buy it". As you can see by the votes, people will buy it, probably lots of them. And as for IRS, this post isn't about IRS and it's a given that IRS is out of the question so let's drop that issue or raise it somewhere else. And as for Shelby Cobra's not having an auto trans in the past, perhaps you're only 20 or something but if you travel back further than 1993 (maybe to the 60's) you'd find that Shelby Cobra's DID have automatic transmissions as an option. SVT's - no, but real Shelby's - YES! And as for your comment on Auto Trans buyers having to put down a non-refundable deposit - how stupid! You must consider auto trans people really unstable - running rampant from dealer to dealer ordering (potential) Shelby Cobra auto's with the sole intention of backing out of their deals??? Give your head a shake.
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:scratch: Ford is a business...they have not mass produced engines that make this kind of power for cars. They do not just build a car trans.for the fun of it, they have to sell them and there has not been a reason til now. Technology is one thing, designing and building it are another($). Yeah..they are probably developing a trans for the Shelby but it won't be the Mustang GT auto. Perhaps the naivete lies in trusting Ford can do this easily.Check the recall list on the Ford GT sports-car.
Originally posted by Original Sin+April 13, 2005, 3:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Original Sin @ April 13, 2005, 3:53 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TrueBlueCajun@April 13, 2005, 7:50 AM
Here's my two cents (if that much) on this....People complained in the past of the weight the '03-'04 Cobras carried, now you want IRS and auto and/or SMG technology on this new Cobra? Throw in the IRS + Auto and this car would weigh close to 4000 lbs plus add even more $$$$ to this vehicle that's already rumored to be around $50k with dealer markups. Previous SVT Cobras NEVER had an auto option so my question is why add one now? I can see the argument about the IRS since previous models had them, but why on earth would Ford put an auto trans. in a car that never had an auto in it since it's conception in '93. Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered. The SVT Cobra was always a great hp/cost vehicle. Start adding options and that ratio goes down. I guess Ford could offer an Auto option to buyers that order Cobras only. I'd also require a non-refundable down payment incase these owners back out of their orders and the dealership has a Cobra sitting on their lot costing them money. I say if you want to play...you've got to pay.
Here's my two cents (if that much) on this....People complained in the past of the weight the '03-'04 Cobras carried, now you want IRS and auto and/or SMG technology on this new Cobra? Throw in the IRS + Auto and this car would weigh close to 4000 lbs plus add even more $$$$ to this vehicle that's already rumored to be around $50k with dealer markups. Previous SVT Cobras NEVER had an auto option so my question is why add one now? I can see the argument about the IRS since previous models had them, but why on earth would Ford put an auto trans. in a car that never had an auto in it since it's conception in '93. Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered. The SVT Cobra was always a great hp/cost vehicle. Start adding options and that ratio goes down. I guess Ford could offer an Auto option to buyers that order Cobras only. I'd also require a non-refundable down payment incase these owners back out of their orders and the dealership has a Cobra sitting on their lot costing them money. I say if you want to play...you've got to pay.
You must be very naive if you think Ford doesn't have the technology available to produce an auto trans capable of handling the power of GT500. I'd be surprised if they haven't already developed something, making availability simply a question for the marketing department who's only question will be "we wonder if people will buy it". As you can see by the votes, people will buy it, probably lots of them. And as for IRS, this post isn't about IRS and it's a given that IRS is out of the question so let's drop that issue or raise it somewhere else. And as for Shelby Cobra's not having an auto trans in the past, perhaps you're only 20 or something but if you travel back further than 1993 (maybe to the 60's) you'd find that Shelby Cobra's DID have automatic transmissions as an option. SVT's - no, but real Shelby's - YES! And as for your comment on Auto Trans buyers having to put down a non-refundable deposit - how stupid! You must consider auto trans people really unstable - running rampant from dealer to dealer ordering (potential) Shelby Cobra auto's with the sole intention of backing out of their deals??? Give your head a shake.
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:scratch: Ford is a business...they have not mass produced engines that make this kind of power for cars. They do not just build a car trans.for the fun of it, they have to sell them and there has not been a reason til now. Technology is one thing, designing and building it are another($). Yeah..they are probably developing a trans for the Shelby but it won't be the Mustang GT auto. Perhaps the naivete lies in trusting Ford can do this easily.Check the recall list on the Ford GT sports-car.
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Originally posted by TrueBlueCajun+April 13, 2005, 9:25 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TrueBlueCajun @ April 13, 2005, 9:25 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
That is what I have been asking...
Does the manufacturer's cost (inlcluding R&D, parts/labor, testing...) for optional equipment get passed directly to the people who order that option?
In other words, if Ford decides to make an auto tranny optional on the GT500, would the costs (inlcluding R&D, parts/labor, testing...) get passed on to all customers in the form of an overall higher MSRP (on the base model) in addition to charging for the option for those who order it. Or would Ford simply pass the buck to only those who order the auto tranny?
If the latter, then I'm all for having the option. But, if all us buying the GT500 with a manual have to pay a higher price, just to help Ford offset some of the costs to develop an optional auto tranny, then I might have to change my vote to "No, 6-Sp Manual Tranny Only".
Originally posted by Auburnman@April 13, 2005, 2:10 PM
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@April 13, 2005, 8:50 AM
Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered.
Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered.
That is what I have been asking...
Does the manufacturer's cost (inlcluding R&D, parts/labor, testing...) for optional equipment get passed directly to the people who order that option?
In other words, if Ford decides to make an auto tranny optional on the GT500, would the costs (inlcluding R&D, parts/labor, testing...) get passed on to all customers in the form of an overall higher MSRP (on the base model) in addition to charging for the option for those who order it. Or would Ford simply pass the buck to only those who order the auto tranny?
If the latter, then I'm all for having the option. But, if all us buying the GT500 with a manual have to pay a higher price, just to help Ford offset some of the costs to develop an optional auto tranny, then I might have to change my vote to "No, 6-Sp Manual Tranny Only".
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I just talke to my buddy who works for an auto manufacturer (not Ford) to get his take on this subject and this was his response...
"Actually, the way the pricing works is that the sales side tells the manufacturing side how much they can sell a car for and how much they need to make in profit per car. Then the manufacturing/design side makes a car based on the market price set by the sales side. The sales side also requests which options the car should have based on market research. Most transmissions are shared across many different models to lower the development cost per car made. Sorry no good answer..."
So I guess there is no simple answer to my question (especially when you consider that certain optional equipment is shared across the brand with other models). But it sounds like the base price would inherently have to reflect SOME of the manufacturing/design costs associated with all the optional equipment.
And since the design team is told what options to have, then it would be reasonable to assume that the engineers would have to incorporate those various options into the design from the get go. For example, a vehicle's structure/frame would be designed in a manner to allow for a hard top OR convertible, small engine OR big engine, towing package OR none. So in all, that vehicle's frame will have cost more to design than a vehicle whose sole purpose was just ONE thing and the designer never has to consider optional equipment.
If we can assume this is true for FORD (some of the cost for all optional equipment is included in the vehicle's BASE price), will that change any or your votes?
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Originally posted by hayburner@April 13, 2005, 10:51 PM
.Check the recall list on the Ford GT sports-car.
.Check the recall list on the Ford GT sports-car.
BTW, the Ferrari 360 has three recalls in the last 3 years (1 in 2003 and 2 in 2004).
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Originally posted by TomServo92+April 14, 2005, 1:07 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TomServo92 @ April 14, 2005, 1:07 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-hayburner@April 13, 2005, 10:51 PM
.Check the recall list on the Ford GT sports-car.
.Check the recall list on the Ford GT sports-car.
BTW, the Ferrari 360 has three recalls in the last 3 years (1 in 2003 and 2 in 2004).
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:scratch: Blueovalnews says it's more than that....no matter.It's a quality issue.If I paid 150K for a car,I'd be ticked.Don't care how fast they slap-dashed the engineering.The "Halo" on the GT is on crooked.
Back on topic...This trans. had better be able to handle power. It will prove itself , or not.
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Originally posted by hayburner+April 14, 2005, 4:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hayburner @ April 14, 2005, 4:03 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
You mean the one recall dealing with suspension components? That's half the number the C6 Corvette has had. If you want to talk to TSBs, the GT has three while the C6 has a whopping 23! For a vehicle designed within such a short timespan, one recall and three TSBs is actually pretty good.
BTW, the Ferrari 360 has three recalls in the last 3 years (1 in 2003 and 2 in 2004).
Originally posted by TomServo92@April 14, 2005, 1:07 PM
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You mean the one recall dealing with suspension components? That's half the number the C6 Corvette has had. If you want to talk to TSBs, the GT has three while the C6 has a whopping 23! For a vehicle designed within such a short timespan, one recall and three TSBs is actually pretty good.
BTW, the Ferrari 360 has three recalls in the last 3 years (1 in 2003 and 2 in 2004).
Back on topic...This trans. had better be able to handle power. It will prove itself , or not.
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I wouldn't be ticked. But I guess I have a much realistic view of the world. But of course, that's just me.
I noticed you completely sidestepped the fact that the $151,000 Ferrarri 360 has had 3 recalls in 3 years. I think that's a good comparison to the GT.
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I think it's pretty simple actually.
If Ford already has an auto trans in the can that can support the power of the Shelby, they'll likely offer it.
If not, they won't.
It would make no business sense for Ford to develop an automatic transmission specifically for the Shelby - they would need to use it on multiple vehicles in order to justify the development cost. Especially since even if they offer it with a manual only, they'll still sell every one they build.
If Ford already has an auto trans in the can that can support the power of the Shelby, they'll likely offer it.
If not, they won't.
It would make no business sense for Ford to develop an automatic transmission specifically for the Shelby - they would need to use it on multiple vehicles in order to justify the development cost. Especially since even if they offer it with a manual only, they'll still sell every one they build.
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Originally posted by RMac@April 14, 2005, 8:06 PM
I think it's pretty simple actually.
If Ford already has an auto trans in the can that can support the power of the Shelby, they'll likely offer it.
If not, they won't.
It would make no business sense for Ford to develop an automatic transmission specifically for the Shelby - they would need to use it on multiple vehicles in order to justify the development cost. Especially since even if they offer it with a manual only, they'll still sell every one they build.
I think it's pretty simple actually.
If Ford already has an auto trans in the can that can support the power of the Shelby, they'll likely offer it.
If not, they won't.
It would make no business sense for Ford to develop an automatic transmission specifically for the Shelby - they would need to use it on multiple vehicles in order to justify the development cost. Especially since even if they offer it with a manual only, they'll still sell every one they build.
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You must be very naive if you think Ford doesn't have the technology available to produce an auto trans capable of handling the power of GT500. I'd be surprised if they haven't already developed something, making availability simply a question for the marketing department who's only question will be "we wonder if people will buy it". As you can see by the votes, people will buy it, probably lots of them. And as for IRS, this post isn't about IRS and it's a given that IRS is out of the question so let's drop that issue or raise it somewhere else. And as for Shelby Cobra's not having an auto trans in the past, perhaps you're only 20 or something but if you travel back further than 1993 (maybe to the 60's) you'd find that Shelby Cobra's DID have automatic transmissions as an option. SVT's - no, but real Shelby's - YES! And as for your comment on Auto Trans buyers having to put down a non-refundable deposit - how stupid! You must consider auto trans people really unstable - running rampant from dealer to dealer ordering (potential) Shelby Cobra auto's with the sole intention of backing out of their deals??? Give your head a shake.
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:scratch: Uh....The show car has a Tremec T-56. Guess Ford might not have the technology afterall. They are supposedly developing a 6 sp.Auto with ,of all people ,GM.
Originally posted by Original Sin+April 13, 2005, 3:53 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Original Sin @ April 13, 2005, 3:53 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-TrueBlueCajun@April 13, 2005, 7:50 AM
Here's my two cents (if that much) on this....People complained in the past of the weight the '03-'04 Cobras carried, now you want IRS and auto and/or SMG technology on this new Cobra? Throw in the IRS + Auto and this car would weigh close to 4000 lbs plus add even more $$$$ to this vehicle that's already rumored to be around $50k with dealer markups. Previous SVT Cobras NEVER had an auto option so my question is why add one now? I can see the argument about the IRS since previous models had them, but why on earth would Ford put an auto trans. in a car that never had an auto in it since it's conception in '93. Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered. The SVT Cobra was always a great hp/cost vehicle. Start adding options and that ratio goes down. I guess Ford could offer an Auto option to buyers that order Cobras only. I'd also require a non-refundable down payment incase these owners back out of their orders and the dealership has a Cobra sitting on their lot costing them money. I say if you want to play...you've got to pay.
Here's my two cents (if that much) on this....People complained in the past of the weight the '03-'04 Cobras carried, now you want IRS and auto and/or SMG technology on this new Cobra? Throw in the IRS + Auto and this car would weigh close to 4000 lbs plus add even more $$$$ to this vehicle that's already rumored to be around $50k with dealer markups. Previous SVT Cobras NEVER had an auto option so my question is why add one now? I can see the argument about the IRS since previous models had them, but why on earth would Ford put an auto trans. in a car that never had an auto in it since it's conception in '93. Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered. The SVT Cobra was always a great hp/cost vehicle. Start adding options and that ratio goes down. I guess Ford could offer an Auto option to buyers that order Cobras only. I'd also require a non-refundable down payment incase these owners back out of their orders and the dealership has a Cobra sitting on their lot costing them money. I say if you want to play...you've got to pay.
You must be very naive if you think Ford doesn't have the technology available to produce an auto trans capable of handling the power of GT500. I'd be surprised if they haven't already developed something, making availability simply a question for the marketing department who's only question will be "we wonder if people will buy it". As you can see by the votes, people will buy it, probably lots of them. And as for IRS, this post isn't about IRS and it's a given that IRS is out of the question so let's drop that issue or raise it somewhere else. And as for Shelby Cobra's not having an auto trans in the past, perhaps you're only 20 or something but if you travel back further than 1993 (maybe to the 60's) you'd find that Shelby Cobra's DID have automatic transmissions as an option. SVT's - no, but real Shelby's - YES! And as for your comment on Auto Trans buyers having to put down a non-refundable deposit - how stupid! You must consider auto trans people really unstable - running rampant from dealer to dealer ordering (potential) Shelby Cobra auto's with the sole intention of backing out of their deals??? Give your head a shake.
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:scratch: Uh....The show car has a Tremec T-56. Guess Ford might not have the technology afterall. They are supposedly developing a 6 sp.Auto with ,of all people ,GM.
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Originally posted by hayburner+April 23, 2005, 1:37 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hayburner @ April 23, 2005, 1:37 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>:scratch:
You must be very naive if you think Ford doesn't have the technology available to produce an auto trans capable of handling the power of GT500. I'd be surprised if they haven't already developed something, making availability simply a question for the marketing department who's only question will be "we wonder if people will buy it". As you can see by the votes, people will buy it, probably lots of them. And as for IRS, this post isn't about IRS and it's a given that IRS is out of the question so let's drop that issue or raise it somewhere else. And as for Shelby Cobra's not having an auto trans in the past, perhaps you're only 20 or something but if you travel back further than 1993 (maybe to the 60's) you'd find that Shelby Cobra's DID have automatic transmissions as an option. SVT's - no, but real Shelby's - YES! And as for your comment on Auto Trans buyers having to put down a non-refundable deposit - how stupid! You must consider auto trans people really unstable - running rampant from dealer to dealer ordering (potential) Shelby Cobra auto's with the sole intention of backing out of their deals??? Give your head a shake.
Originally posted by Original Sin@April 13, 2005, 3:53 PM
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Here's my two cents (if that much) on this....People complained in the past of the weight the '03-'04 Cobras carried, now you want IRS and auto and/or SMG technology on this new Cobra? Throw in the IRS + Auto and this car would weigh close to 4000 lbs plus add even more $$$$ to this vehicle that's already rumored to be around $50k with dealer markups. Previous SVT Cobras NEVER had an auto option so my question is why add one now? I can see the argument about the IRS since previous models had them, but why on earth would Ford put an auto trans. in a car that never had an auto in it since it's conception in '93. Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered. The SVT Cobra was always a great hp/cost vehicle. Start adding options and that ratio goes down. I guess Ford could offer an Auto option to buyers that order Cobras only. I'd also require a non-refundable down payment incase these owners back out of their orders and the dealership has a Cobra sitting on their lot costing them money. I say if you want to play...you've got to pay.
Here's my two cents (if that much) on this....People complained in the past of the weight the '03-'04 Cobras carried, now you want IRS and auto and/or SMG technology on this new Cobra? Throw in the IRS + Auto and this car would weigh close to 4000 lbs plus add even more $$$$ to this vehicle that's already rumored to be around $50k with dealer markups. Previous SVT Cobras NEVER had an auto option so my question is why add one now? I can see the argument about the IRS since previous models had them, but why on earth would Ford put an auto trans. in a car that never had an auto in it since it's conception in '93. Granted, the auto option would only bump the cost up a couple of grand, and would probably produce a few more buyers but how many more is the real question. Would the increase in buyers equal the cost of adding the auto trans. in this car? Unfortunately that question may never be answered. The SVT Cobra was always a great hp/cost vehicle. Start adding options and that ratio goes down. I guess Ford could offer an Auto option to buyers that order Cobras only. I'd also require a non-refundable down payment incase these owners back out of their orders and the dealership has a Cobra sitting on their lot costing them money. I say if you want to play...you've got to pay.
You must be very naive if you think Ford doesn't have the technology available to produce an auto trans capable of handling the power of GT500. I'd be surprised if they haven't already developed something, making availability simply a question for the marketing department who's only question will be "we wonder if people will buy it". As you can see by the votes, people will buy it, probably lots of them. And as for IRS, this post isn't about IRS and it's a given that IRS is out of the question so let's drop that issue or raise it somewhere else. And as for Shelby Cobra's not having an auto trans in the past, perhaps you're only 20 or something but if you travel back further than 1993 (maybe to the 60's) you'd find that Shelby Cobra's DID have automatic transmissions as an option. SVT's - no, but real Shelby's - YES! And as for your comment on Auto Trans buyers having to put down a non-refundable deposit - how stupid! You must consider auto trans people really unstable - running rampant from dealer to dealer ordering (potential) Shelby Cobra auto's with the sole intention of backing out of their deals??? Give your head a shake.
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Where did you hear this ?
And is this 6speed auto perhaps the same that is being used for the upcoming Caddy STS-V ?
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Not to play list mom, but come on guys, don't over quote (or edit them down to the relevant bits).
Ford and GM did sign some agreement and are codeveloping a new 6 speed auto (to deal wiht the Germans, etc.). I'd read it in many trades and a few consumer mags.
Ford and GM did sign some agreement and are codeveloping a new 6 speed auto (to deal wiht the Germans, etc.). I'd read it in many trades and a few consumer mags.
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u guys do understand that they wanna keep this car under barely $40,000......if they have something like paddle shifters were talking very high prices. this isnt a BMW, nor do we want it to be like one. its a shelby GT 500 and its back for the 1st time in years. i say 6 speed and 6 speed only just like the the past cobra's (03-04's)
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Sorry, I don't buy it. It doesn't cost much more to manufacture a paddle-shifting SVG/DSG over a regular. It costs more in R&D to create the first one -- but they should do it, and amortize the costs of development over many machines, like the Europeans did.
You can get a $27,000 A3 with DSG (paddle shifters), and they're talking about bringing it to the VW's. (And that's WITH the problems of the Euro being high, and a bad FX/exchange rate). Ford could put a $500-1000 price premium on the option (when it really doesn't cost them that much to make). So don't give me the sob story about cost, I'm not buying it, because what you're really saying is that Ford can't compete with the Europeans, even with a $13,000 price differential, and exchange rate advantages in Ford's favor? If they can't, then it means the problems they are having lately are just the tip of the iceberg.
You can get a $27,000 A3 with DSG (paddle shifters), and they're talking about bringing it to the VW's. (And that's WITH the problems of the Euro being high, and a bad FX/exchange rate). Ford could put a $500-1000 price premium on the option (when it really doesn't cost them that much to make). So don't give me the sob story about cost, I'm not buying it, because what you're really saying is that Ford can't compete with the Europeans, even with a $13,000 price differential, and exchange rate advantages in Ford's favor? If they can't, then it means the problems they are having lately are just the tip of the iceberg.