Aftermarket 2005+ Mustangs Discuss the Offerings from Roush, Saleen, Steeda, Shinoda, and Others

Ford's webpage now has pictures of the SHELBY.

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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:17 PM
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is iup and icap gonna be offered?
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:17 PM
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Great work Jeff with the pictures! I'm getting the shakes looking at this thing...
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:19 PM
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Great work Jeff with the pictures! I'm getting the shakes looking at this thing...
yea, great job Jeff!
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by sscobra+March 22, 2005, 6:15 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sscobra @ March 22, 2005, 6:15 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-THRUST_@March 22, 2005, 4:06 PM
why did they reverse the tach and speedo I mean they are exactly the same size and neither is centered?

When you are driving (really driving) a manual, people tend to have their left hand in the center of the steering wheel and their right hand shifting gears. This blocks the view of the tach (with left arm) if it were on the left side of the dash. In most cases (other than normal daily driving) it is more important to see the engine RPM rather than the vehicle speed (when racing, shifting at optimum rpms). I also think the superchared, high revving engine would explain the tach position.
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I see, I knew that you want to be able to see the tach I knew it was important, but never thought of your left arm being in the way I've never noticed it, even though I do drive with my left, so I didn't see the difference of it being on the right or left

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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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Those stripes are awesome in my opinion. I love everything about it! Thank You Jeff! These pics have made my day!
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:26 PM
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Nice, certainly, with lots of good mixed with some significant disappointments. Pleased if somewhat underwhelmed.

Good:
SC 5.4 with 450+hp/tq
6 spd tranny
Good, styling, especially the front
Big brembo brakes
Big wheels/tires
Improved seats (presumably?)
Thicker steering wheel
More readable gauges

Bad:
That damned old truck axle out back, major step backwards.
Iron block
Stripes a bit much (delete option?)
Rear "inspired" strakes a touch cheesy

Again, very nice if a bit underwhelming given early rumors, prior SVT Stangs and competition. A good, solid journeyman's effort, meeting most expectations, failing in a few major ones and exceeding none. A few narrow enthusiast audiences will be well placated, drag racers specifically, but it fails to rise fully to broader, world class levels that the previous SVTs seemed to be aspiring towards.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by sscobra@March 22, 2005, 4:15 PM
When you are driving (really driving) a manual, people tend to have their left hand in the center of the steering wheel and their right hand shifting gears.
In the center of the wheel? Not a chance ... I'm holding on to the wheel itself on the left side, usually white knuckled trying to keep the car pointed more or less down the road . I've never seen anyone driving one handed with their left hand in the center of the wheel. I wouldn't ride with them if they did...
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:30 PM
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"It's a real car, very close to production, like 98%. BlackriderX picture from the media page looks like the car I just sat in few hours ago. I is so sweet looking and everyone who saw it wants one. I can't say anything until tomorrow. Sorry I know it's just a tease but I don't want to spoil Fords big day tomorrow. This beast is going to steel the New York show. Now for me it's do I keep the 04 and get the 07 also or trade the 04. "


This was posted by another member in another thread. So this leads me to wonder if we will see a different version of this car tomorrow. Like the one in the clay model (scoops and louvers). Let the speculation begin. Muaahahahaha...lol.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by S197Cobra+March 22, 2005, 4:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(S197Cobra @ March 22, 2005, 4:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-sscobra@March 22, 2005, 4:15 PM
When you are driving (really driving) a manual, people tend to have their left hand in the center of the steering wheel and their right hand shifting gears.
In the center of the wheel? Not a chance ... I'm holding on to the wheel itself on the left side, usually white knuckled trying to keep the car pointed more or less down the road . I've never seen anyone driving one handed with their left hand in the center of the wheel. I wouldn't ride with them if they did...
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Your kidding right? You've never seen anyone drive with their left hand in the center of the steering wheel? Anyways......... :scratch:
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by 05Mustangfan@March 22, 2005, 4:37 PM
too bad so many people are female ******* about it though.
It's not a bad thing... more for us who love it...
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:39 PM
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Given the relatively modest level of change over the GT version, does anyone think this will hit the streets sooner rather than later, maybe more as a 2006 towards the end of this year, very early next year?

And what about price? Given that this is a significantly less aggressive overhaul than, say, the 2003-04 Cobra was over its GT breatheren, I would expect the price to be less, i.e., around $35K. And might that leave some room for some more extensively upgraded, truely world class SVT above the GT500 then?
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by 1 BULLITT@March 22, 2005, 2:08 PM
No window or side scoops?

I know I would love to have them and I would add those if I had this Shelby. Ford loves leave it up to you to go on the aftermarket. Plus it is cost saving, remember bang for the buck. The bucks have gone into the performance rather then the looks. They already had a great looking design in the GT, but like in Cobra years past it was only a different front end or spoiler that separated the looks of a GT and a Cobra. I love it can't wait to see one out on the road and look out Chevy Ford has built a Mustang that is a Corvette killer at a cheaper price.

Corvette bow down to your master :worship:
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by rhumb@March 22, 2005, 4:29 PM
Nice, certainly, with lots of good mixed with some significant disappointments. Pleased if somewhat underwhelmed.


Bad:
That damned old truck axle out back, major step backwards.
Iron block
Stripes a bit much (delete option?)
Rear "inspired" strakes a touch cheesy

Again, very nice if a bit underwhelming given early rumors, prior SVT Stangs and competition. A good, solid journeyman's effort, meeting most expectations, failing in a few major ones and exceeding none. A few narrow enthusiast audiences will be well placated, drag racers specifically, but it fails to rise fully to broader, world class levels that the previous SVTs seemed to be aspiring towards.
1. I've heard some rumours you'll have a choice as far as suspension. Even if not, they're using what amounts to the Boy Racer suspension, and that's certainly proved itself capable.

2. The iron block is one reason the '03'04 Cobras were so popular. You can throw all the power you want at it without worrying. Only with a 330 instead of a 281, it's even more of a beast. :worship:

3. What would it look like without the stripes?

4. I thought that was pretty cool myself, but quidquid. To each his own.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by rhumb@March 22, 2005, 4:42 PM
Given the relatively modest level of change over the GT version, does anyone think this will hit the streets sooner rather than later, maybe more as a 2006 towards the end of this year, very early next year?

And what about price? Given that this is a significantly less aggressive overhaul than, say, the 2003-04 Cobra was over its GT breatheren, I would expect the price to be less, i.e., around $35K. And might that leave some room for some more extensively upgraded, truely world class SVT above the GT500 then?
My guess is Ford will keep this at around 35 to 40K just like they kept the GT around 04 GT models. This is my opinion, but they could easily get 40K for this. Performance technology is not cheap.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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I'll have to disagree with your bads as well

love the stripes
the iron block was DEFINATELY the right choice
Love the live axle and like others said irs will probably be and option
And the rearend is the most functional one we've seen on a mustang yet

I don't know what you were hoping for but i am in no way dissapointed.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Super Sonic Blue Mustang+March 22, 2005, 4:48 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Super Sonic Blue Mustang @ March 22, 2005, 4:48 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-rhumb@March 22, 2005, 4:42 PM
Given the relatively modest level of change over the GT version, does anyone think this will hit the streets sooner rather than later, maybe more as a 2006 towards the end of this year, very early next year?

And what about price? Given that this is a significantly less aggressive overhaul than, say, the 2003-04 Cobra was over its GT breatheren, I would expect the price to be less, i.e., around $35K. And might that leave some room for some more extensively upgraded, truely world class SVT above the GT500 then?
My guess is Ford will keep this at around 35 to 40K just like they kept the GT around 04 GT models. This is my opinion, but they could easily get 40K for this. Performance technology is not cheap.
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Yeah, not cheap, but this basically has LESS added content over the current GT than did the previous Cobra. The motor essentially sounds like little more than a tall-block version of the 4.6 Cobra, little added cost there. Tranny's the same, brakes are slightly better, bodywork mods similar or less, wheels/tires about the same, suspension (non-IRS) decidedly less. I just don't see where, purely content-wise, they could justify asking more than the 2004.

Don't get me wrong, very nice car, but less of a stretch out from the GT Stang than were the 1999-2004 SVTs. Again, aside from the displacement upgrade, there's generally a bit less extra on GT500 than the 2004 Cobra unless I'm missing something big.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by rhumb@March 22, 2005, 4:29 PM
Nice, certainly, with lots of good mixed with some significant disappointments. Pleased if somewhat underwhelmed.

Good:
SC 5.4 with 450+hp/tq
6 spd tranny
Good, styling, especially the front
Big brembo brakes
Big wheels/tires
Improved seats (presumably?)
Thicker steering wheel
More readable gauges

Bad:
That damned old truck axle out back, major step backwards.
Iron block
Stripes a bit much (delete option?)
Rear "inspired" strakes a touch cheesy

Again, very nice if a bit underwhelming given early rumors, prior SVT Stangs and competition. A good, solid journeyman's effort, meeting most expectations, failing in a few major ones and exceeding none. A few narrow enthusiast audiences will be well placated, drag racers specifically, but it fails to rise fully to broader, world class levels that the previous SVTs seemed to be aspiring towards.
As far as the iron block, it's there because it can take a lot more of a beating than an aluminum one. The styling is everyone's own opinion but don't say it isn't a world class car without seeing how it handles (they did a lot of suspension work I believe). And it's still only the show car, not the production car.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by rhumb@March 22, 2005, 4:42 PM
Given the relatively modest level of change over the GT version, does anyone think this will hit the streets sooner rather than later, maybe more as a 2006 towards the end of this year, very early next year?

And what about price? Given that this is a significantly less aggressive overhaul than, say, the 2003-04 Cobra was over its GT breatheren, I would expect the price to be less, i.e., around $35K. And might that leave some room for some more extensively upgraded, truely world class SVT above the GT500 then?

This is what I've been trying to say.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 04:04 PM
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That's it, I selling my kids!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait, I don't have any!!!!
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by rhumb@March 22, 2005, 4:58 PM
Yeah, not cheap, but this basically has LESS added content over the current GT than did the previous Cobra. The motor essentially sounds like little more than a tall-block version of the 4.6 Cobra, little added cost there. Tranny's the same, brakes are slightly better, bodywork mods similar or less, wheels/tires about the same, suspension (non-IRS) decidedly less. I just don't see where, purely content-wise, they could justify asking more than the 2004.
To me, the 5.4L and the twin-screw instead of Eaton are very worthwhile upgrades over the 03/04. The non-IRS suspension in the GT500 is nicer than the kludged IRS they stuffed into the SN95, without a doubt. Would a native S197 IRS corner better? Might. But I would lay good money on the live-axle GT500 outcornering an 03/04 Cobra without any trouble at all.

I think they'll end up asking a couple grand more than 03/04. And they'll get it. I just hope I can find a dealer that will let me have one for MSRP within the first few months...

The twin screw blower is the best part, IMO ... right now you have a typical pullied 03/04 Cobra putting down maybe 460-470 rwhp and 480-500 rwtq. The Eaton just doesn't have much more in it ... but the twin screw does not suffer from that -- we'll have pullied GT500's running around the streets putting down 600 rwhp . Talk about bang for the buck!

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