I got banned from Stangnet, because it was found out I had sex with one of the moderators.. So if your gonna tell the story, tell the whole story, not just the part that makes you look better..

 

I have to agree here 100%.... We are expected to swallow everything MSP shovels out as gospel... We are never allow to question anything... or disagree... One minute were were a-holes and against him... the next we're all the greatest bunch of guy... my ex-wife was bi-polar and even here mood swings weren't this bad....

that's all i'm saying on the subject... said my peace...

 

Sorry you feel that way Scrming.. For some reason I knew you would use this opportunity to seek vengents from our last altercation.. LOL!!

Everybody might as well kick'em while we got him on the ground.. I know who to avoid now.. No problem...


How does it feel to be a back stabber Scrming? In our PM's we swore an oath.. In public, you slice my throat.. LOL!! Thanks man!!

 

Yes, i will stand by you shoulder to shoulder to promote, defend and educate people about our V6... but your attack on Zodiac was completely uncalled for... He simply said he was unimpressed and in fact it just might be the recording quality... but you went off the deep end on him... I will not stand by idlely while you go off on him... Zodiac make a lot of good contributions to this group... Your attack was incredibly out of line...

 

To thoughtfully disrespect my efforts, in defense of the HPIPE does not conceal zodiacs underlying motivations.. If you take the time to read all of his responses, they will be put into context. That context dictates a desire to sway all from the pro-chamber, and soley for the hpipe..

He may be able to silently insert disrespect under the eye of most of you, but I understand his true position.. That position is to be my opposition..

He has actually done a great job here.. I give him credit..

Also Scrming, feel no need to stand shoulder to shoulder with me on anything.. You have chosen your destiny my friend, you must now live wiith this outcome.. Good luck to you and your family!

 

Just heard it, and it sounds real healthy. Tone at idle is nice and grunty as are the quick revs.
Those pictures you posted, were those with mufflers? And when you went to a no-muffler, did the shop provide a custom bent pipe to just swap and clamp easily (to keep those holes filled).

 

Good gracious, lighten up, MSP! People are entitled to their opinions--and "how something sounds" is about as subjective as things come!

This isn't an "anti-ProChamber conspiracy"....

Sheesh.

 

MSP-
I have never tried to "discredit" you as you so claim, Im sorry if you feel that way. You've been a vaulable member of the community up to this point, but now it seems like you've fallen off the deep end of paranoia. Ive rarely even commented on an Hpipe. To be honest, I believe an Xpipe is the way to go for high power performance gains. Im not sure what power one has to make to realize the gains from it over an Hpipe, but at our levels I think the difference is minimal.

From this thread alone I remember asking for dyno numbers supporting your theory that the Prochamer is a must, and the best, and posts spent defending myself. Again, take this out of the forum and into PMs with myself if you wish. This thread is about 20% worthless now.

 

No, those were without mufflers.. I just have a 3.5" pipe welded to the 2.5" exhaust tubing..

Thanks for not bashing me ManEHawk!!

@Hambone

Its hard to lighten up when you get disrespected for honest work which has yielded something good for others to know.. Anyway, thanks for not jumping on the bandwagon.. It would be real easy to follow the crowd, you guys have chosen an alternate path.. For that I thank you..


Also, with the Series 40 Flowmasters, I think it will sound even better.. I may install some Series 40 shorty mufflers later.. These are small enough to go right after the gas tanks, before the 2.5" pipe bends upwards over the rear axle..

The shorty mufflers are so I can keep the 3.5" tips against the bumper, without the bulky muffler ruining the rear appearance..

The Shorty mufflers can also be placed in front of the gas tanks... There are alot of options I must consider.. For now, I am still in a learning process with the prochamber.. Learning its characteristics.. Just like with the xpipe, I tried different configurations.. I have now tried 2 with the Prochamber.. I can recommend it based on the SOTP feel in conjunction with the sound.. I'm sure it would yield something positive on the dyno, but dont feel now is the time to test that aspect of it..

 

Everyone please remember that text reads cold. Most communication is non-verbal, and it is easy to misconstrue what is written. It is easy enough to misunderstand people when they are standing right in front of you and you have known them for years, let alone when you have never met them and only correspond through posts and PMs.

Personally, who cares who has the "best" set-up? And how can we tell???!!??? That is a subjective rather than objective standard, even if one outperforms on a dyno. For example, I do not want a really deep V-8 sound. Personally, I like my JBA muffler and its performance vice muscle sound. I will get another one when I go dual to smooth out the sound from what ever I chose to go with, be it X, H, or Prochamber.

"Can't we all just get along?"

 

It looks like it already has settled down, but here's the official word. No more personal attacks, it needs to go to PM's for any further disagreements.

Remember, everyone can have an opinion. And, on something as subjective as sound, thats all it is, is an opinion. I prefer the sound of an H to an X, others prefer an X (even among mods), and I don't remember any attacks coming out of our discussions on that. So, lets all be nice.

My take, sounds pretty good if a bit raspy without the mufflers. Not quiet as deep as a V8. I'll say the same thing that I told my friend who has a 98 cobra w/o cats and mufflers: It'll sound much better when the mufflers get added. (he never did add mufflers, he likes the way it sounds).

What kind of numbers are you expecting with the pro-chamber and 40 series?

 

Oh dear, the drama.

 

Thats a good question Jeffery.. Based on my last Dyno which was 182RWHP and 217RWTQ without a tune, I feel confident that the Prochamber should be able to produce possibly 185 to 190 RWHP and about 220 + or - 1 or 2 on the torque.. I currently dont have any direct plans in the short term for a Dyno, but that may change due to the nature as to which this thread has turned.. I'm not in a rush, but its a conservative estimate based off of my old dyno run..

Part of the essence I was trying to portray has been lost in all the drama.. It must be stressed that the sound clip is of an exhaust without any mufflers.. The sound which is heard, must be compared to that of another type of system without mufflers..

The magic with the sound on the SOHC 4.0 takes place before the exhaust even gets to the mufflers.. If you can focus on this aspect of the exhaust system, it will make alot of standard mufflers sound good, let alone some Flowmasters or Borlas.. I can promise that once the numbers are crunched on the ProChamber, they will be good numbers.. Its too bad Mac Prochamber has decided to use me for the test, and not a test vehicle.. LOL!! Now I gotta take all the heat..

 

When do you plan on having your mufflers put back on? And did you set up a system so you can clamp them on/off or are you going to have to have them welded in place again?

 

I like the way it sounds now, so do not have any short term plans for the mufflers.. I may add some shorty mufflers later.. But for now I'm happy with it.. Also, I always make sure they are welded into place.. I dont believe in the clamps..

 

This is what I will add eventually.. This particular Single Chamber muffler should add just enough to finish off the system...

http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/10_race.html

This is not a Series 40, but it does offer a single chamber, and that single chamber is all that is needed to enhance the overall tone of the ProChamber...

This will still offer a very aggressive sound over stock, but if you take the current sound of the exhaust system with the Prochamber straight-through, you can see how important it is to focus on the sound at the point of the cross-over.. By the time the sound leaves this single chamber solution, it should be an almost perfect reproduction of a small block V8 with mufflers..

So consider this the next stage in development.. I am also focusing on the MAC-LTs as well, so this will be an ever evolving system up to that point..

So next will be these shorty single chamber mufflers..

 

Those numbers look good. Also, agreed on the muffler/no muffler. My take is most cars without mufflers to give tone sound a bit raspy IMO, so it'll be really interesting to hear how it sounds after they are back on.

 

Yep, I have TQ envy! MSP's TQ numbers look way better than mine, but I think it's my diablo....my TQ is only at 207. Hopefully my numbers will get better on Wed after my tune/dyno session and switching to SCT.

 

Itll be interesting to see how it sounds after mufflers.. much less LTs hehee... Im going with the MACs somewhere down the line but ooooh im in so much debt right now...

Arent the 40 series two chamber? Im not sure if I remember correctly...

 

Remember I have a 5spd... I'm quite sure once they work out the tune correctly your torque will be brought up more.. Its easier for the 5spds to show more torque over the Automatics..

@Zodiac

The series 40's are 2 chamber mufflers... Its my feeling if I put them back on, they would sound good.. My choice to go single chamber is 2 fold..

1 is I dont like the bulky muffler look in the back of the car.. So with the single chambers I can mount the smaller mufflers out of site from the rear..

2 is I dont want the mufflers to take away too much sound.. I think the single chambers in combo with the prochamber will have just enough.. If If i like the sound now, then adding a single chamber muffler to bounce the sound around again one more time will be optimal.. With the series 40's, as a 2 chamber muffler, it will deflect it twice.. I know that will sound good, but am gambling on the single chamber to sound better...

Thats the tough part about this is not knowing.. You pretty much have to go on faith, and hope everything works out.. With the sound being produced currently, I am in a pretty good position to have alot of confidence in the muffler'd sound... I do think there is room for enhancement with a single or dual chamber.. I wish before I put them on, I could know for sure.. But I cant, so must continue to gamble on this until Nirvana is found!

Nirvana


http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/nirvana

This is afterall what everyone on this forum endlessly tries to find.. The search for it alone cost lots of money and time.. But only by trying can one even hope to achieve it!