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2/28/10, 12:39 PM
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i bought a x cal3 from tillman speed and now i am getting a po135 code o2 heater .i have replaced the 2 upstream sensors.just before anyone says anything i am not here to bash ( chris rose)he told me because bbk uses cheaper metal i have to wrap my headers so they can get hotter so the po 135 code does not show up.but i have spoke to many people that have bbk long tubes and other brands and have no problems.some one help me here.
2/28/10, 02:54 PM
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not everyones car is the same. wrap the headers and see if that helps. Also double/triple check all the sensors, even the rears if they are turned on. Stock sensors or aftermarket brand?
2/28/10, 02:59 PM
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2/28/10, 03:34 PM
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if there is no way to fix it in the tune, then would you take his advise? im sure he knows what he's doing.
2/28/10, 04:10 PM
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Will post the same from your threads on other forums:
If the O2 transport delay is what you're referring to, we've already modified this for the difference in length. We've also changed heater duty cycle and other o2 transport related items. I'm going to shoot over a tune update file to try and correct it, but every car is different. Condition of o2 sensors will play a huge role. Aftermarket o2 sensors are known for taking much longer to heat up (Justin over at VMP has a great datalog proving this). In Mass. right now, the weather is nice and cold like it is here in PA. You're going to have o2 heating issues with thin wall headers (coating HELPS but isn't 100%). The o2 transport delay is an adaptive feature that is a learned value. 30% has been added to his table to get him in the window he needs to be in. We will try a few other tricks, but during colder months, sometimes this code will appear even with the most exact of calibrations.
Will make a few adjustments and send over the new tunes to you early this week. Let's see if we can't get it squared away for you! Hope you're enjoying the tunes!
If the O2 transport delay is what you're referring to, we've already modified this for the difference in length. We've also changed heater duty cycle and other o2 transport related items. I'm going to shoot over a tune update file to try and correct it, but every car is different. Condition of o2 sensors will play a huge role. Aftermarket o2 sensors are known for taking much longer to heat up (Justin over at VMP has a great datalog proving this). In Mass. right now, the weather is nice and cold like it is here in PA. You're going to have o2 heating issues with thin wall headers (coating HELPS but isn't 100%). The o2 transport delay is an adaptive feature that is a learned value. 30% has been added to his table to get him in the window he needs to be in. We will try a few other tricks, but during colder months, sometimes this code will appear even with the most exact of calibrations.
Will make a few adjustments and send over the new tunes to you early this week. Let's see if we can't get it squared away for you! Hope you're enjoying the tunes!
2/28/10, 04:42 PM
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Will post the same from your threads on other forums:
If the O2 transport delay is what you're referring to, we've already modified this for the difference in length. We've also changed heater duty cycle and other o2 transport related items. I'm going to shoot over a tune update file to try and correct it, but every car is different. Condition of o2 sensors will play a huge role. Aftermarket o2 sensors are known for taking much longer to heat up (Justin over at VMP has a great datalog proving this). In Mass. right now, the weather is nice and cold like it is here in PA. You're going to have o2 heating issues with thin wall headers (coating HELPS but isn't 100%). The o2 transport delay is an adaptive feature that is a learned value. 30% has been added to his table to get him in the window he needs to be in. We will try a few other tricks, but during colder months, sometimes this code will appear even with the most exact of calibrations.
Will make a few adjustments and send over the new tunes to you early this week. Let's see if we can't get it squared away for you! Hope you're enjoying the tunes!
If the O2 transport delay is what you're referring to, we've already modified this for the difference in length. We've also changed heater duty cycle and other o2 transport related items. I'm going to shoot over a tune update file to try and correct it, but every car is different. Condition of o2 sensors will play a huge role. Aftermarket o2 sensors are known for taking much longer to heat up (Justin over at VMP has a great datalog proving this). In Mass. right now, the weather is nice and cold like it is here in PA. You're going to have o2 heating issues with thin wall headers (coating HELPS but isn't 100%). The o2 transport delay is an adaptive feature that is a learned value. 30% has been added to his table to get him in the window he needs to be in. We will try a few other tricks, but during colder months, sometimes this code will appear even with the most exact of calibrations.
Will make a few adjustments and send over the new tunes to you early this week. Let's see if we can't get it squared away for you! Hope you're enjoying the tunes!
3/2/10, 08:39 PM
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Did you call and tell Chris what was happening before you posted it here? That's the proper way to handle problems. My ARheaders did it until Chris was able to figure what was causing it. And just because someone else doesn't do it doesn't mean your's won't.
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3/3/10, 11:27 AM
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Now I finally have my stuff but am having to chase Tillman to provide me a receipt in case anything goes wrong with any of the stuff I bought - I have no proof of purchase except my credit card statement.
No problem tagging my credit card real quick, but that was the only thing done timely.
Real nice
Hopefully they man up and give me a receipt so I don't have to have to keep dorking around with this nonsense.
Edited - 3/4/10. I received the receipt today. Thanks Chris. Appreciate it.
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3/3/10, 12:32 PM
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Don't know anything about this guy's interactions, but Tillman is not always very responsive. I had to chase them for a month to get the merchandize I ordered from them. Took my $2K real quick, but if I didn't keep chasing them there's no telling when I would have received all my stuff, despite the fact that I was told several times that the merchandise was in the mail, or would be mailed monday, or I'd have the stuff by end of week, or similar.
Now I finally have my stuff but am having to chase Tillman to provide me a receipt in case anything goes wrong with any of the stuff I bought - I have no proof of purchase except my credit card statement.
No problem tagging my credit card real quick, but that was the only thing done timely.
Real nice
Hopefully they man up and give me a receipt so I don't have to have to keep dorking around with this nonsense.
Now I finally have my stuff but am having to chase Tillman to provide me a receipt in case anything goes wrong with any of the stuff I bought - I have no proof of purchase except my credit card statement.
No problem tagging my credit card real quick, but that was the only thing done timely.
Real nice
Hopefully they man up and give me a receipt so I don't have to have to keep dorking around with this nonsense.
However, I agree, he's pretty hard to get ahold of. I've been trying to get my tune updated since September 2009.. I'm getting my summer tires mounted and balanced this week, so I'm really hoping for an update before the weekend.. but who knows, I've been waiting for 6 months now.
I give him the benefit of the doubt.. I think he's just really busy.
3/3/10, 03:55 PM
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I'm not here to bash Tillman. I always heard they had a good reputation, which is what led me to do business with them, but I only know what I experienced. So I posted up my experience with them as it seemed pertinent to the thread. For whatever it's worth.
3/3/10, 04:08 PM
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CR seems like a standup guy, from his responsiveness on the forums.
However, I agree, he's pretty hard to get ahold of. I've been trying to get my tune updated since September 2009.. I'm getting my summer tires mounted and balanced this week, so I'm really hoping for an update before the weekend.. but who knows, I've been waiting for 6 months now.
I give him the benefit of the doubt.. I think he's just really busy.
However, I agree, he's pretty hard to get ahold of. I've been trying to get my tune updated since September 2009.. I'm getting my summer tires mounted and balanced this week, so I'm really hoping for an update before the weekend.. but who knows, I've been waiting for 6 months now.
I give him the benefit of the doubt.. I think he's just really busy.
3/4/10, 08:50 AM
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Steve, your name is one of about 4 updates that are owed on a list sitting literally 3" from where I'm typing. Your stuff was supposed to get out yesterday but I got slammed, it will go out today.
futuresvt, your receipt has been emailed. I don't know why it never got to you to begin with, our system is automated. Regardless, I have resent the receipt. For future reference, I know it feels like you were chasing us but American Racing usually takes a bit to make up the headers. That mixed with we were still at 7-14 business days turnaround on tune files. It was our busiest time ever. We're past it now and had a chance to smooth things out on our end. Sorry for the inconvenience, I know you waited an extra week or two, but they would have shipped when they shipped. It wasn't "oh crap lets get this stuff out the door, he's mad". The PO went in for the headers right away. Thank you for your business, we do appreciate it.
As for the OP, he's had his updated files since yesterday or the day before.
As a matter of fact, our turnaround time is back to 3-4 business days on custom tune files.
I have about 4 updates pending... that's it.
Alot of times, the easiest way to get ahold of us is to call. I'm the only person here doing all of the calibration. I work into the hours of the night, and do it all day long. We have a huge volume of tune files requested, both new orders and updates. Even stopping sales inquiries, I'm still just one person trying to respond to close to 50-100 new tune/old tune update inquiries a day.
futuresvt, your receipt has been emailed. I don't know why it never got to you to begin with, our system is automated. Regardless, I have resent the receipt. For future reference, I know it feels like you were chasing us but American Racing usually takes a bit to make up the headers. That mixed with we were still at 7-14 business days turnaround on tune files. It was our busiest time ever. We're past it now and had a chance to smooth things out on our end. Sorry for the inconvenience, I know you waited an extra week or two, but they would have shipped when they shipped. It wasn't "oh crap lets get this stuff out the door, he's mad". The PO went in for the headers right away. Thank you for your business, we do appreciate it.
As for the OP, he's had his updated files since yesterday or the day before.
As a matter of fact, our turnaround time is back to 3-4 business days on custom tune files.
I have about 4 updates pending... that's it.
Alot of times, the easiest way to get ahold of us is to call. I'm the only person here doing all of the calibration. I work into the hours of the night, and do it all day long. We have a huge volume of tune files requested, both new orders and updates. Even stopping sales inquiries, I'm still just one person trying to respond to close to 50-100 new tune/old tune update inquiries a day.
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3/4/10, 08:51 AM
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Do you see a huge presence on these forums lately? Are you waiting for a tune update from us? I can easily parade the customers who will vouch for sometimes numerous tune updates, or tune updates turned around same day. New orders turned around same day, etc.
3/4/10, 09:39 AM
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Give Chris a break guys. Hes very busy over at the shop. When he did my custom tune, it was very busy there.. He was answering phones all day as he was tuning my car for Gods sake..
3/4/10, 09:41 AM
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LOL How is she? I know you're probably just melting out of this mess too, so probably not many chances to drive. Maybe this 40-50 degree weather will last the weekend and you can blast around!
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futuresvt, your receipt has been emailed. I don't know why it never got to you to begin with, our system is automated. Regardless, I have resent the receipt. For future reference, I know it feels like you were chasing us but American Racing usually takes a bit to make up the headers. That mixed with we were still at 7-14 business days turnaround on tune files. It was our busiest time ever. We're past it now and had a chance to smooth things out on our end. Sorry for the inconvenience, I know you waited an extra week or two, but they would have shipped when they shipped. It wasn't "oh crap lets get this stuff out the door, he's mad". The PO went in for the headers right away. Thank you for your business, we do appreciate it.
As for the OP, he's had his updated files since yesterday or the day before.
As a matter of fact, our turnaround time is back to 3-4 business days on custom tune files.
I have about 4 updates pending... that's it.
Alot of times, the easiest way to get ahold of us is to call. I'm the only person here doing all of the calibration. I work into the hours of the night, and do it all day long. We have a huge volume of tune files requested, both new orders and updates. Even stopping sales inquiries, I'm still just one person trying to respond to close to 50-100 new tune/old tune update inquiries a day.
As for the OP, he's had his updated files since yesterday or the day before.
As a matter of fact, our turnaround time is back to 3-4 business days on custom tune files.
I have about 4 updates pending... that's it.
Alot of times, the easiest way to get ahold of us is to call. I'm the only person here doing all of the calibration. I work into the hours of the night, and do it all day long. We have a huge volume of tune files requested, both new orders and updates. Even stopping sales inquiries, I'm still just one person trying to respond to close to 50-100 new tune/old tune update inquiries a day.
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3/4/10, 10:40 AM
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Im changing the valve covers with a set of power coated ones and changing the mufflers so she won't be out this weekend Chris. Been in the garage all winter but got out with it once in January on a nice weekend
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Also, I can't complain because it's an update on something I bought 3 years ago, and not a new purchase.
But it's true that he's hard to get ahold of. I would see that as a positive though. You can't earn that much business unless you're making alot of customers satisfied.