For your edification...


The original 1968 Mustang GT 390 boasted a 0-60 time of 7.8 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 15.2 seconds at 94.0 mph, according to Motor Trend. Now: Ford engineers modified the 2008 Mustang Bullitt’s chassis and suspension to fine-tune handling and ensure the extra horsepower and torque from the 4.6-liter V-8 is put to good use. Motor Trend clocks the 2008 Ford Mustang Bullitt at 5 seconds even for 0-60, with a quarter-mile time of 13.7 seconds at 102.7 mph.

Obviously you wouldn't know performance if you tripped over it...

 

I'd rather get the "bling" GT/CS (which I did), and add the perfomance mods that go beyond the subtle factory mods of the Bullit (which I also did). With the stock airbox, stock timing, and just slightly leaner AFR, my car dynoed 285 rwhp/304rwtq...that translates to 335/357 flywheel (just installed tha AirAid, and getting retuned next week...will post dyno results). The 4.10's are also a more aggressive mod that the 3.73...I mean, the stocker comes with 3.55's, why even bother with 3.73's? As for the suspension, the mild mod is just that: mild. When I do mine I'm doing the Roush, which instead of lowering the car 6 millimeters (25 mm to an inch, so that's a ¼" lower than stock), lowers tha car a full inch with mated sway bars and shocks/struts (read last month's Motor Trend for an objective comparo: not as extreme as the SGT, which "got unsettled by mid-corner bumps" but a whole lot better than the stocker). Oh and the Bullit (and GT500, and SGT, and Roush 427's, and Saleen's [except for the HE and PJ editions]) still comes with the same too-long panhard bar that makes the driver rear tire stick out 3/8" more than the passenger's (also something I already fixed) Exhaust sound? I've got FRPP stingers, nuff said. The dash? mine came with the charcoal aluminum dash... HID on 08's? I put the SilverStar ultrawhites in and can honestly say they're comparable to the HID's Ive seen, which in Ford giuse are a far cry from the projector lamps in the German machines. So what will I end up with? A GT that looks cool (GT/CS), with better handling/performance than the Bullit for the same coin (paid $27k for mine). As for the brakes, the list of upgrades, as reported by objective 3rd parties I've seen, doesn't list any difference between the stocker GT or Bulllit Brakes.

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What he said.

Not bashing the Bullit; it is what it is....a mildly modded GT

 

In your list you are forgetting the engine front dampener, the multi octane capability, the entire exhaust system, and that the 3.73 gears aren't just the run of the mill Ford or FRPP pieces and the rear assembly is the same used in the Shelby GT500 KR.

The price, especially now with the incentives offered really is a bargain.

 

"A GT that looks cool (GT/CS), with better handling/performance than the Bullit for the same coin"

You're fooling yourself.

 

If you're happy with the ride then . Only one minor thing I'm gonna throw back at you. You said that you paid $27K for yours. Wanna guess what I paid for my Bullitt? You have three guesses and none of them can be at or over MSRP!!!

Go enjoy your Mustang! I'm sure as heck enjoying mine!!

 

Yea... some days I'd forget my head if it wasn't attached to my neck! Know what else I forgot? GT500 pedals!

 

What was up with that TXBLUOVAL guy? He just wouldn't let it go. He would probably argue with a wall.

 

Yes I forgot to mention those as well.

 

Martimus, I bet your '05 handles better than the Bullit, with comparable performance. As far as "octane detection" all the PCM does is detect knock, and adjust the timing accordingly, which all the S197 GT's do, so I don't know what's "new" about that. In fact, I feel strongly that that was a carefully crafted line of bull, touting a feature the S197 GT's already had as "new".

I like the front and rear fascias, as well as the side scoops, on your '05......

 

I've never seen such intense arguing over some @#$%in lights.





Edit:Wow you can say "@#$%ing" now?

 

You really need to educate yourself more on all this

 

you mean It would be easier to convert Osama to catholicism than to convince a CS/GT owner that there car isn't the greatest car ever to come off an assembly line.


Those are who the argument is all coming from about car superiority.

 

So you're betting that an 05 V6 Mustang handles better than a Bullitt?? Gee... I loved that car no doubt but you are sooooooo wrong!! Thanks MrClean!! I needed a good laugh...

For what its worth MrClean the S197 owners manual indicates that Mustangs from the factory were tuned to run on 87 octane. The 08 Bullitt, on the other hand, can run on 87 or 91+ octane...

The following is from page 258 of the 2008 Mustang owners manual:

 

+1! Seems to me its the GT/CS owners who see fit to tell us that our Bullitts are inferior... and then blame us for starting the bickering.

2k7gtcs: Mr. President... Is that you??

I personally like the GT/CS's... I'd never own one but thats cuz all the scoops are just too "over the top" for me.

 

Interesting phenomenon isn't it.

Oh well I like my Dark Green V6 Mustang

 

I didn't realize your '05 was a V6, and in that case, I was clearly wrong makinfg that statement. It is interesting, however, that you bash the GT/CS and yet the very mods (visual) that make it such are the ones you made to your V6....

As to the 87 octane, I think it is you that needs a little more education on the tuning and mechanical aspects of these cars. The 87 rating for non-Bullit S197 GT's is a minimum rating, as you might discern from the context of the excerpt you quoted from the manual.

Octane detection would amount to a lab under the hood. The most advanced system do date in this respect is the new BMW M3's engine, that uses changes in the ignition systems induction to detect pre-ignition before it happens, but that is not the level of sophistication or complexity found in out Ford engines. The self adjusting timing on the Bullit (and other S197 GT's is a reaction of -preignition.

The fact is that the all the S197 GT's PCM's (Sapnish Oak) have multiple timing maps, and will use the most aggressive map as long as there is no pre-ignition detected, and this I know from talking to the tuners who've tuned my car (using both base SCT files and also the stock software in my car, which came with an unusually aggressive 29º ignition timing from the factory in the "aggressive" map).

So Ford saying that the Bullit's PCM has "octane detection" literally amounts to the PCM running an aggressive timing map as the default, and if knock is detected it backs off the timing, the same as the Spanish Oak has done so far on S197 GT's, except that the aggressive file is a little more aggressive, hence the 15 hp bump.

TMS is a great forum, but if you want to inject more specific technical information into your knowledge-base, I invite you to visit www.S197Forum.com

 

It's not a 15hp bump on premium. It's a 15 hp increase over a normal GT on regular gas.

The Bullitt is tuned to run on Premium, it will adapt for regular if regular is used.
Tuners are making assumptions about this being only accomplished through knock sensors, but none have duplicated it, yet.

A normal GT that is tuned to run on regular will of course still run on Premium. As indicated in the manual knock sensors will compensate somewhat for poorer grades of regular if there is pinging using regular gas.

 

Therefore, the "logic" is the same in both cases, except the Bullitt's "standard" timing map is a little more aggressive than a non-Bullitt GT's standard timing map, and backs off to a secondary timing map accordingly when 87 is burned, due to knock detection. The Bullitt engine also has increased airflow with the CAI, which probably accounts for a portion fo the 15 hp.

 

Martimus and RCSignals, you are incorrect about my posts and comments. Find the post where I have attacked the Bullitt car or said it was inferior. You're picking on the wrong guy here. I have poked fun at some Bullitt owners for their proclivity to argue with all other GT owners, especially GT/CS owners who don't automatically say the Bullitt is better than their own cars. Check the posts and get your facts straight. It is because of posts like the ones above that I have written what I have. I've even said I like the Bullitt, I like George's Bullitt, I like all Mustangs. You however are exclusive and called me a Bling boy, I went along with it in good nature, but now I'm just tired of it.