Autoguide comparison: V6 PP vs. Genesis 3.8: ouch
#22
It would be fun and interesting to see what the results would be, if someone were allowed to take that $4k-$5k difference, spend it on any parts for the Mustang, and then compare them!
Wheels, tires, adjustable shocks/struts, driveshaft, better LSD rear, intake, exhaust, tuning, cage, seats... Did I miss anything?
Wheels, tires, adjustable shocks/struts, driveshaft, better LSD rear, intake, exhaust, tuning, cage, seats... Did I miss anything?
#23
It would be fun and interesting to see what the results would be, if someone were allowed to take that $4k-$5k difference, spend it on any parts for the Mustang, and then compare them!
Wheels, tires, adjustable shocks/struts, driveshaft, better LSD rear, intake, exhaust, tuning, cage, seats... Did I miss anything?
Wheels, tires, adjustable shocks/struts, driveshaft, better LSD rear, intake, exhaust, tuning, cage, seats... Did I miss anything?
#25
Its a cute comparison but the mustang was not really up to spec like the Hyundai. I got my MCA for 25k and added my own steeda suspension mods, ebc brakes and tuner to sharpen up the throttle lag. Add a $600 drive shaft and I'm still way under 33k. I give GTs a hard time at the track. Silly import.
#27
What else should we expect from an Import contender...
I mean what better way to make a name for yourself and stir the pot, then by going up against the Holy Grail of Pony cars.
Look we beat a MUSTANG...hahaha
yeah...too bad they had to use their best performance spec'd halo car to do it.
If that's that way they want to play...then lets go Topdog to Topdog.
Put that puny Geny against the Mighty Shelby 500.
And like somone here already mentiond the obvoius...
PricePoint: V6 Genes = V8 Mustang
What would you choose?
So...nice try Hyundia...but I don't think you're going to win over any Mustang or overall Pony lovers.
The funny thing is...they are actaully pulling this crap with their current compaign.
Biases or not, this review could have been paid for with foreign dollars.
And hey...theirs always the 2015 Stang...it will be close to Euro style with full IRS and all.
The Gensis will most likely be dead by that time.
I mean what better way to make a name for yourself and stir the pot, then by going up against the Holy Grail of Pony cars.
Look we beat a MUSTANG...hahaha
yeah...too bad they had to use their best performance spec'd halo car to do it.
If that's that way they want to play...then lets go Topdog to Topdog.
Put that puny Geny against the Mighty Shelby 500.
And like somone here already mentiond the obvoius...
PricePoint: V6 Genes = V8 Mustang
What would you choose?
So...nice try Hyundia...but I don't think you're going to win over any Mustang or overall Pony lovers.
The funny thing is...they are actaully pulling this crap with their current compaign.
Biases or not, this review could have been paid for with foreign dollars.
And hey...theirs always the 2015 Stang...it will be close to Euro style with full IRS and all.
The Gensis will most likely be dead by that time.
#28
The V6 driveshaft isn't just there as a cost cutting measure, but as a fuel saving one as well. Any reduction in rotating mass translates into increased effciency and when more MPGs is part of your advertising schitck every little bit helps.
I agree though its unfortunate that the PP V6 Mustang is saddled with the base car's driveshaft but I suspect there are enough differences in the V8 and V6 cars driveshaft to make it cost prohibitive for what is essentially a low volume car (PP V6).
aftermarket to the rescue!!!
I agree though its unfortunate that the PP V6 Mustang is saddled with the base car's driveshaft but I suspect there are enough differences in the V8 and V6 cars driveshaft to make it cost prohibitive for what is essentially a low volume car (PP V6).
aftermarket to the rescue!!!
#29
Surprised a little that the PP V6 Stang still gets saddled by the weaker drive shaft, thus limiting its performance -- kind of a big obvious ***** in an otherwise pretty impressive armor. It seems that, and the engine tuning, is aimed more at pleasing the EPA than the driver. Perhaps for '14, a stouter shaft and retune of the motor would be in order.
Other than that, this really is one more reason to anticipate the '15. The S197 platform is really reaching its limits and the fresh S550 should really provide the Stang a strong leap into the future.
Other than that, this really is one more reason to anticipate the '15. The S197 platform is really reaching its limits and the fresh S550 should really provide the Stang a strong leap into the future.
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#30
The V6 driveshaft isn't just there as a cost cutting measure, but as a fuel saving one as well. Any reduction in rotating mass translates into increased effciency and when more MPGs is part of your advertising schitck every little bit helps.
I agree though its unfortunate that the PP V6 Mustang is saddled with the base car's driveshaft but I suspect there are enough differences in the V8 and V6 cars driveshaft to make it cost prohibitive for what is essentially a low volume car (PP V6).
aftermarket to the rescue!!!
I agree though its unfortunate that the PP V6 Mustang is saddled with the base car's driveshaft but I suspect there are enough differences in the V8 and V6 cars driveshaft to make it cost prohibitive for what is essentially a low volume car (PP V6).
aftermarket to the rescue!!!
Surprised a little that the PP V6 Stang still gets saddled by the weaker drive shaft, thus limiting its performance -- kind of a big obvious ***** in an otherwise pretty impressive armor. It seems that, and the engine tuning, is aimed more at pleasing the EPA than the driver. Perhaps for '14, a stouter shaft and retune of the motor would be in order.
Other than that, this really is one more reason to anticipate the '15. The S197 platform is really reaching its limits and the fresh S550 should really provide the Stang a strong leap into the future.
Other than that, this really is one more reason to anticipate the '15. The S197 platform is really reaching its limits and the fresh S550 should really provide the Stang a strong leap into the future.
#31
There are many aftermarket companies already supplying parts to Ford for O.E. applications as well as FRPP parts and all of these parts were tested by Ford before putting them on a production vehicle or putting them in the FRPP catalog. So using an existing aftermarket shaft would not be taking a leap into un-chartered territory either.
Like the Genny Coupe, 2010-up V6 Camaro's with the L2T or RS Package have always had the speed limiter upped because of the higer speed rated tires, but they probably have a similar driveshaft set up as the SS, so all that was needed was a tuning adjustment. If it were as simple with the 3.7L Mustang, I'm sure Ford would have done the same from the get go.
There would be no reason for Ford to develop their own special Aluminum Driveshaft as all the existing aftermarket ones are probably superior to the factory shaft in every way already. But Ford would need to do their own testing before giving one of them the green light for a V6 option like the Performance Package. Then there would be the unique "tuning" and what kind of "price increase" there would be for this updated Performance Package. It is quite possible Ford had already looked into this and decided NOT to because of the % increase over the existing PP was more than they wanted to pass along to the consumer.
Doug
#32
Wow, I kind of rambled a bit there and never got to say what I originally wanted to say ...
MY WISH:
That in at least one of the comparison tests I've read that they would have taken a PP Mustang and just add a Aluminum DS and an 87 Octane "Street" or "Perf" tune to bump the limiter UP and see how it compares to cars without 115 MPH factory speed limiters that DID beat it before.
Doug
MY WISH:
That in at least one of the comparison tests I've read that they would have taken a PP Mustang and just add a Aluminum DS and an 87 Octane "Street" or "Perf" tune to bump the limiter UP and see how it compares to cars without 115 MPH factory speed limiters that DID beat it before.
Doug
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That's pretty impressive.
I would still pick the Mustang over the Genesis Coupe, simply because Genesis Coupe got really expensive all of the sudden. Not that long ago the base turbo was under $22,000 and the V6 was under $25,000 ... now even the base turbo is about $25,000.
I hope Ford is not gonna do the same thing with the 2015 Mustang ...
#38
Perhaps, but a reputation for Mustangs trashing their drive shafts when driven in a sport'n manner will be poison for the Stang's reputation, reasonable or not. There are just too many people who will be driving their V6s over the "adequate" limits Ford's suits have deemed appropriate for the V6, especially those opting for the Performance Pack. A GT-class drive shaft should be part of that package at least.
#39
Perhaps, but a reputation for Mustangs trashing their drive shafts when driven in a sport'n manner will be poison for the Stang's reputation, reasonable or not. There are just too many people who will be driving their V6s over the "adequate" limits Ford's suits have deemed appropriate for the V6, especially those opting for the Performance Pack. A GT-class drive shaft should be part of that package at least.
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