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The MAIN issue is ALL politicians in Washington.....not just the president. We have a HUGE problem here but it's going to take people to get involved and not just sit back and watch in order to effect change for the better for this country. The approval rate of Congress right now is the lowest in HISTORY at 9%....that is pitiful and really speaks volumes as to the current seat holders who really are a "do nothing congress".
But most importantly....VOTE!!! You can't complain if you don't vote and while one vote may not seem to make a difference....added up they do!
As far as this thread goes....let's keep it above board....Religious and Political threads can easily get out of hand and if this one does it will get locked so let's not let it sink into that state.
AMEN!
KC
The MAIN issue is ALL politicians in Washington.....not just the president. We have a HUGE problem here but it's going to take people to get involved and not just sit back and watch in order to effect change for the better for this country. The approval rate of Congress right now is the lowest in HISTORY at 9%....that is pitiful and really speaks volumes as to the current seat holders who really are a "do nothing congress".
But most importantly....VOTE!!! You can't complain if you don't vote and while one vote may not seem to make a difference....added up they do!
As far as this thread goes....let's keep it above board....Religious and Political threads can easily get out of hand and if this one does it will get locked so let's not let it sink into that state.
AMEN!
KC
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What's also important is the record which speak for themselves. Accomplishments and trends are the best indication of what's over the horizon. Perhaps for those who favor Barack Obama finding out what implimenting economic and social justice really stand for could be a determining factor.
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Yeah....and that's another problem.....We really only have a 2 party system....because it is unrealistic that a third party could ever get elected given the amount of money that is thrown at both the Republican and Democratic parties. If we had a limit on campaign spending then maybe one would not have to be a billionaire in order to run for office. Another nice change would be some form of truth in advertising currently we all have to sort through the B.S. exaggerations and half truths. The current 2 parties are nothing but political machines fighting each other in search of their own agenda and not necessarily what is best for the people of this country. Bottom line is that we DESPERATELY need better choices!
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I find myself disagreeing on more than a few issues with each candidate. That said, taking McCain over Obama is an easy one.
1. Obama has absolutely no meaningful executive experience of any kind. For me that is an absolute mind blower which makes me genuinely wonder how he got the nod for Democratic nomination. Sure, he is a very personable fella who people like to hear speak. That qualifies him to be a High School principal, not President of the most powerful nation ever to grace the globe.
2: McCain has more than a little relevant military experience in a time where military experience will continue to matter. Case in point? If Iran doesn't back off their nuclear ambitions Israel will bomb their program back into the stone age in the very near future, and this will occur sure as the sun rises in the East regardless of anyones personal feelings on the issue. In that increasingly likely eventuality the proverbial **** will hit the fan, the US will eventually become involved....likely militarily....regardless of who is President potentially leading to full blown war. We currently have two choices as to who will be holding the reigns of the American war machine for the next four year. Again, I'll take McCain.
3: Despite a slow economy Obama can't stop talking about raising taxes promising, more or less, to stick it to the rich. This statement shows one of two things.
a: an utter lack of knowledge as to how economies and/or taxes work, or more likely.......
b: an unabashed willingness to pander to the baser fears of people genuinely worried about the future, promising things he knows that he cannot deliver in the process, to get elected. Not surprising, but disappointing to say the least and the 'tax the rich' thing has just gotten old for me.
I didn't need to go past those three things to make my decision. McCain isn't my dream candidate, but he is preferable to the alternative.
1. Obama has absolutely no meaningful executive experience of any kind. For me that is an absolute mind blower which makes me genuinely wonder how he got the nod for Democratic nomination. Sure, he is a very personable fella who people like to hear speak. That qualifies him to be a High School principal, not President of the most powerful nation ever to grace the globe.
2: McCain has more than a little relevant military experience in a time where military experience will continue to matter. Case in point? If Iran doesn't back off their nuclear ambitions Israel will bomb their program back into the stone age in the very near future, and this will occur sure as the sun rises in the East regardless of anyones personal feelings on the issue. In that increasingly likely eventuality the proverbial **** will hit the fan, the US will eventually become involved....likely militarily....regardless of who is President potentially leading to full blown war. We currently have two choices as to who will be holding the reigns of the American war machine for the next four year. Again, I'll take McCain.
3: Despite a slow economy Obama can't stop talking about raising taxes promising, more or less, to stick it to the rich. This statement shows one of two things.
a: an utter lack of knowledge as to how economies and/or taxes work, or more likely.......
b: an unabashed willingness to pander to the baser fears of people genuinely worried about the future, promising things he knows that he cannot deliver in the process, to get elected. Not surprising, but disappointing to say the least and the 'tax the rich' thing has just gotten old for me.
I didn't need to go past those three things to make my decision. McCain isn't my dream candidate, but he is preferable to the alternative.
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Aside from the impending Doom....er, I mean Election. The REAL problem is Congress....EVERY politician in D.C. is too busy fighting each other to do what really needs to be done for this country....Nancy Pelosi is a tyrant with her own agenda to stop ANY progress that does not fit into her own personal agenda. The problem with Politics in D.C. is that you don't get more good apples by putting them in a barrel of rotten ones.
Proof positive by Congress leaving for their "Vacation" without addressing the energy issues put in front of them....they could care less about anyone but themselves or their self serving agendas...everything has turned into "Republicans vs. Democrats" and nothing else matters.
As far at the presidential race goes....it's definitely picking the lesser of evils and has been for many years now but our choices only get worse every 4 years. The problem is that unless you have MILLIONS of dollars, you don't have a snowballs chance of running so it's left to the well to do professional politicians.
As far as voting...I wouldn't vote for Obama if you paid me and it has nothing to do with his race...although it is sad that he is playing the race card. If Colin Powell was up for election I'd be voting for an African American so it's the individual and not the skin color that I and most I know base decisions on. Obama is a professional politician and nothing more....he talks about change but never says WHAT change other than the fact that he wants to do the typical thing of raise taxes and spend money. You have to look behind the hot air speeches and look at his record, his history and his educational upbringing if you want to see who this man really is. That doesn't mean that McCain is "The man" it just means that I feel from my research that he is the lesser of evils.
Regardless of who you want to vote for....look beyond fancy talk and speeches and research the candidates....only then can you make an INFORMED decision of who the lesser evil really is....the information and historical voting records are there and speak more volumes than the hype being put forth every time they speak.
The MAIN issue is ALL politicians in Washington.....not just the president. We have a HUGE problem here but it's going to take people to get involved and not just sit back and watch in order to effect change for the better for this country. The approval rate of Congress right now is the lowest in HISTORY at 9%....that is pitiful and really speaks volumes as to the current seat holders who really are a "do nothing congress".
But most importantly....VOTE!!! You can't complain if you don't vote and while one vote may not seem to make a difference....added up they do!
As far as this thread goes....let's keep it above board....Religious and Political threads can easily get out of hand and if this one does it will get locked so let's not let it sink into that state.
Proof positive by Congress leaving for their "Vacation" without addressing the energy issues put in front of them....they could care less about anyone but themselves or their self serving agendas...everything has turned into "Republicans vs. Democrats" and nothing else matters.
As far at the presidential race goes....it's definitely picking the lesser of evils and has been for many years now but our choices only get worse every 4 years. The problem is that unless you have MILLIONS of dollars, you don't have a snowballs chance of running so it's left to the well to do professional politicians.
As far as voting...I wouldn't vote for Obama if you paid me and it has nothing to do with his race...although it is sad that he is playing the race card. If Colin Powell was up for election I'd be voting for an African American so it's the individual and not the skin color that I and most I know base decisions on. Obama is a professional politician and nothing more....he talks about change but never says WHAT change other than the fact that he wants to do the typical thing of raise taxes and spend money. You have to look behind the hot air speeches and look at his record, his history and his educational upbringing if you want to see who this man really is. That doesn't mean that McCain is "The man" it just means that I feel from my research that he is the lesser of evils.
Regardless of who you want to vote for....look beyond fancy talk and speeches and research the candidates....only then can you make an INFORMED decision of who the lesser evil really is....the information and historical voting records are there and speak more volumes than the hype being put forth every time they speak.
The MAIN issue is ALL politicians in Washington.....not just the president. We have a HUGE problem here but it's going to take people to get involved and not just sit back and watch in order to effect change for the better for this country. The approval rate of Congress right now is the lowest in HISTORY at 9%....that is pitiful and really speaks volumes as to the current seat holders who really are a "do nothing congress".
But most importantly....VOTE!!! You can't complain if you don't vote and while one vote may not seem to make a difference....added up they do!
As far as this thread goes....let's keep it above board....Religious and Political threads can easily get out of hand and if this one does it will get locked so let's not let it sink into that state.
As for these two that are running its going to be a vote for the lesser of two evils I suppose
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3: Despite a slow economy Obama can't stop talking about raising taxes promising, more or less, to stick it to the rich. This statement shows one of two things.
a: an utter lack of knowledge as to how economies and/or taxes work, or more likely.......
b: an unabashed willingness to pander to the baser fears of people genuinely worried about the future, promising things he knows that he cannot deliver in the process, to get elected. Not surprising, but disappointing to say the least and the 'tax the rich' thing has just gotten old for me...
3: Despite a slow economy Obama can't stop talking about raising taxes promising, more or less, to stick it to the rich. This statement shows one of two things.
a: an utter lack of knowledge as to how economies and/or taxes work, or more likely.......
b: an unabashed willingness to pander to the baser fears of people genuinely worried about the future, promising things he knows that he cannot deliver in the process, to get elected. Not surprising, but disappointing to say the least and the 'tax the rich' thing has just gotten old for me...
People have been taking at his word as detailed on his second book where he has packaged himself rather than taking his spontaneous thoughts from his first book when he had no hope or aspirations to become president.
God I skimmed this thread nad my head hurts... that or the fact its 2:15am
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Just say no to Barry O! More evidence of his complete inability to handle the Top Job in the US can be found here...(great parody video in the second window.)
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/3...rilling-tires/
And does anyone wonder why we dont hear of his abundance of gaffes? Remember how they hounded Quayle back in '88 over the "potatoe" spelling thing?
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/3...rilling-tires/
And does anyone wonder why we dont hear of his abundance of gaffes? Remember how they hounded Quayle back in '88 over the "potatoe" spelling thing?
Last edited by Tiberius1701; Aug 3, 2008 at 06:23 AM.
I actually did LOL at that one. 
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With a candidate like him, a 3rd party might have a chance of winning.
I just don't think he wants the job.
Aside from the impending Doom....er, I mean Election. The REAL problem is Congress....EVERY politician in D.C. is too busy fighting each other to do what really needs to be done for this country....Nancy Pelosi is a tyrant with her own agenda to stop ANY progress that does not fit into her own personal agenda. The problem with Politics in D.C. is that you don't get more good apples by putting them in a barrel of rotten ones.
Proof positive by Congress leaving for their "Vacation" without addressing the energy issues put in front of them....they could care less about anyone but themselves or their self serving agendas...everything has turned into "Republicans vs. Democrats" and nothing else matters.
As far at the presidential race goes....it's definitely picking the lesser of evils and has been for many years now but our choices only get worse every 4 years. The problem is that unless you have MILLIONS of dollars, you don't have a snowballs chance of running so it's left to the well to do professional politicians.
As far as voting...I wouldn't vote for Obama if you paid me and it has nothing to do with his race...although it is sad that he is playing the race card. If Colin Powell was up for election I'd be voting for an African American so it's the individual and not the skin color that I and most I know base decisions on. Obama is a professional politician and nothing more....he talks about change but never says WHAT change other than the fact that he wants to do the typical thing of raise taxes and spend money. You have to look behind the hot air speeches and look at his record, his history and his educational upbringing if you want to see who this man really is. That doesn't mean that McCain is "The man" it just means that I feel from my research that he is the lesser of evils.
Regardless of who you want to vote for....look beyond fancy talk and speeches and research the candidates....only then can you make an INFORMED decision of who the lesser evil really is....the information and historical voting records are there and speak more volumes than the hype being put forth every time they speak.
The MAIN issue is ALL politicians in Washington.....not just the president. We have a HUGE problem here but it's going to take people to get involved and not just sit back and watch in order to effect change for the better for this country. The approval rate of Congress right now is the lowest in HISTORY at 9%....that is pitiful and really speaks volumes as to the current seat holders who really are a "do nothing congress".
But most importantly....VOTE!!! You can't complain if you don't vote and while one vote may not seem to make a difference....added up they do!
As far as this thread goes....let's keep it above board....Religious and Political threads can easily get out of hand and if this one does it will get locked so let's not let it sink into that state.
Proof positive by Congress leaving for their "Vacation" without addressing the energy issues put in front of them....they could care less about anyone but themselves or their self serving agendas...everything has turned into "Republicans vs. Democrats" and nothing else matters.
As far at the presidential race goes....it's definitely picking the lesser of evils and has been for many years now but our choices only get worse every 4 years. The problem is that unless you have MILLIONS of dollars, you don't have a snowballs chance of running so it's left to the well to do professional politicians.
As far as voting...I wouldn't vote for Obama if you paid me and it has nothing to do with his race...although it is sad that he is playing the race card. If Colin Powell was up for election I'd be voting for an African American so it's the individual and not the skin color that I and most I know base decisions on. Obama is a professional politician and nothing more....he talks about change but never says WHAT change other than the fact that he wants to do the typical thing of raise taxes and spend money. You have to look behind the hot air speeches and look at his record, his history and his educational upbringing if you want to see who this man really is. That doesn't mean that McCain is "The man" it just means that I feel from my research that he is the lesser of evils.
Regardless of who you want to vote for....look beyond fancy talk and speeches and research the candidates....only then can you make an INFORMED decision of who the lesser evil really is....the information and historical voting records are there and speak more volumes than the hype being put forth every time they speak.
The MAIN issue is ALL politicians in Washington.....not just the president. We have a HUGE problem here but it's going to take people to get involved and not just sit back and watch in order to effect change for the better for this country. The approval rate of Congress right now is the lowest in HISTORY at 9%....that is pitiful and really speaks volumes as to the current seat holders who really are a "do nothing congress".
But most importantly....VOTE!!! You can't complain if you don't vote and while one vote may not seem to make a difference....added up they do!
As far as this thread goes....let's keep it above board....Religious and Political threads can easily get out of hand and if this one does it will get locked so let's not let it sink into that state.
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I usually refrain from declaring personal references but I have enough good feelings for the USA as well as the TMS membership to make an exception therefore it is time I share some of the reasoning behind some of my points of view.
Early in my youth I lived under a totalitarian regime which came to power under false pretences, promising social and economic justice, a structural cultural change which would achieve equality for present and future generations. A great portion of the population rejoiced not only at the inspiring ideals but when it was effectively put into practice. What many failed to grasp was the "when you neighbor's house is burning, yours might be next" concept, which BTW, became a reality, all in the name of ill will and jealousy for those who happened to be better off and by subsequently declaring them as enemies of the state, substancial support was gathered. Do this approach sound familiar?
A lot of the rhetoric being promoted by Obama, his campaign, and powerful/wealthy supporters is an ordeal I experienced, endured, and survived mostly due to the generosity of this country, the same generous country being trashed on foreign soils by many so called patriotic Americans who have and will sacrifice this country's sovereignty in exchange for foreign public acceptance and support. This raises a red flag, in more ways than one.
In theory, illusions, hope, and ideals are elements which are viewed by many as necessary tools to sustain and progress where in practicality they not often provide the required solutions of our affairs, not much different as the pet rock which many fell for. For those with progressive inclinations their dreams might come true November 4th but they are being naive if they think they will be excempted from the proposed "changes" not knocking at their doors.
Knock, knock!
Early in my youth I lived under a totalitarian regime which came to power under false pretences, promising social and economic justice, a structural cultural change which would achieve equality for present and future generations. A great portion of the population rejoiced not only at the inspiring ideals but when it was effectively put into practice. What many failed to grasp was the "when you neighbor's house is burning, yours might be next" concept, which BTW, became a reality, all in the name of ill will and jealousy for those who happened to be better off and by subsequently declaring them as enemies of the state, substancial support was gathered. Do this approach sound familiar?
A lot of the rhetoric being promoted by Obama, his campaign, and powerful/wealthy supporters is an ordeal I experienced, endured, and survived mostly due to the generosity of this country, the same generous country being trashed on foreign soils by many so called patriotic Americans who have and will sacrifice this country's sovereignty in exchange for foreign public acceptance and support. This raises a red flag, in more ways than one.
In theory, illusions, hope, and ideals are elements which are viewed by many as necessary tools to sustain and progress where in practicality they not often provide the required solutions of our affairs, not much different as the pet rock which many fell for. For those with progressive inclinations their dreams might come true November 4th but they are being naive if they think they will be excempted from the proposed "changes" not knocking at their doors.
Knock, knock!
