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No WMD's in Iraq? Are people still really drinking this kool-aide?
WMD Declassified Report
Even the Democrats, the same one's who beat the "No WMD's in Iraq" drum said it themselves... but it was before the public was looking so closely:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas
Yep, Sarin gas is a WMD and it was found in Iraq. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that everyone who says different is spouting
and furthering their own agenda.
From the article above we can see Syria has Sarin gas. Since Iranian engineers were killed in the explosions it's not a stretch to determine that Iran has it too. Throw it on top of the fact that Iran is enriching Plutonium for weapons and you have pretty dang good reasons to stay in the middle east. Sometimes being the responsible entity means doing unpopular things.
As for saying the Iraqi's don't want us there, you need to stop watching the for-profit media and talk to a service man/woman about what the Iraqi people really think of us. Cindy Sheehan doesn't count either.
WMD Declassified Report
Even the Democrats, the same one's who beat the "No WMD's in Iraq" drum said it themselves... but it was before the public was looking so closely:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas
Yep, Sarin gas is a WMD and it was found in Iraq. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that everyone who says different is spouting
and furthering their own agenda.From the article above we can see Syria has Sarin gas. Since Iranian engineers were killed in the explosions it's not a stretch to determine that Iran has it too. Throw it on top of the fact that Iran is enriching Plutonium for weapons and you have pretty dang good reasons to stay in the middle east. Sometimes being the responsible entity means doing unpopular things.
As for saying the Iraqi's don't want us there, you need to stop watching the for-profit media and talk to a service man/woman about what the Iraqi people really think of us. Cindy Sheehan doesn't count either.
As to "for profit" media, I believe you just quoted them in your Fox News reference (I use the term "News" loosely
)
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Here is an interesting update on the current race. Not sure where this will head but it sure is an interesting twist on things currently going on.....One thing that is interesting about this is that Obama supporters can't play the "conservative card" because this is one of his own part who is pushing this issue....I think Clinton likely has something to do with it and if so would be an interesting "ace up the sleeve" if it holds up.
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08...a-federal.html
by Jeff Schreiber
America's Right.com
A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.
Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.
"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.
Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.
The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.
"Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."
"It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected."
RELATED ITEMS:
America's Right commentary: Eligibility Goes Beyond Citizenship
America's Right interview: A Conversation with Philip Berg, Esq.
See periodic updates at America's Right.com (Click HERE)
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08...a-federal.html
by Jeff Schreiber
America's Right.com
A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.
"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".
Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.
Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.
"Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."
"It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected."
RELATED ITEMS:
America's Right commentary: Eligibility Goes Beyond Citizenship
America's Right interview: A Conversation with Philip Berg, Esq.
See periodic updates at America's Right.com (Click HERE)
Wow, here comes the judge!!
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If Obama were to be deemed other than a Natural Born Citizen, it would pave the way for a movement to change the laws. (Maybe the lawsuit alone might spur this on.)
Both Obama (Dem) and Schwarzenegger (Rep) could benefit in later years.
Both Obama (Dem) and Schwarzenegger (Rep) could benefit in later years.
You never know, in fact I know that some imigrants love this country much much more than some 'Natural Born" citizens....
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"... in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen..."
Naah! Really?
What in the world could possibly make you come to that conclusion?
That would make it...
a left wing conspiracy?
Originally Posted by svopaul
"... I think Clinton likely has something to do with it..."
Naah! Really?
What in the world could possibly make you come to that conclusion?
That would make it...
a left wing conspiracy?
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Anybody Watching the DNC Convention on MSN. Pretty Interesting Stuff. Look Forward to Watching the Republicans Next. I really Found the Governor From Montana Interesting. He is a Democrat and He ran With a Republican Lt. Governor. Says He Thought it would be a Great way to Get things Done instead of Fighting between the Parties. From What he said Montana Really is Moving Forward. Personally I never Been There. Any Members From there? Really Curious To Hear the Lowdown on this Concept.
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Let's get Some Serious Issues Debated by Our Candiates & Commentators!
Just one Question but so Many Perspectives ,Sounds Like Life Does it not. Hard to Judge a man till you walk in his Shoes!
Since our Media is so Unbiased How could we ever not Truly know Someones Character. Surely the media Paints the truth and Nothing but the truth. Scandal and Conflict Makes headlines and makes money. Those with Money and a agenda can Spin Quite a Story. There have always been Haves and Havenots. The Haves Pull The Puppet Strings and we have to determine if we want to believe what we see is True or not.
When Election Day Comes Vote with your Heart ,for your Eyes and Ears may have been Decieved.
Enjoy this Little Character Study . And Have a Laugh at The Human Condition.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Just one Question but so Many Perspectives ,Sounds Like Life Does it not. Hard to Judge a man till you walk in his Shoes!
Since our Media is so Unbiased How could we ever not Truly know Someones Character. Surely the media Paints the truth and Nothing but the truth. Scandal and Conflict Makes headlines and makes money. Those with Money and a agenda can Spin Quite a Story. There have always been Haves and Havenots. The Haves Pull The Puppet Strings and we have to determine if we want to believe what we see is True or not.
When Election Day Comes Vote with your Heart ,for your Eyes and Ears may have been Decieved.
Enjoy this Little Character Study . And Have a Laugh at The Human Condition.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
BARACK OBAMA: The chicken crossed the road because it was time for a change! The chicken wanted change!
JOHN MC CAIN: My friends that chicken crossed the road because he recognized the need to engage in cooperation and dialogue with all the chickens on the other side of the road, although I'm not sure how many chickens there are.
HILLARY CLINTON: When I was First Lady, I personally helped that little chicken to cross the road. This experience makes me uniquely qualified to ensure right from Day One! That every chicken in this country gets the chance it deserves to cross the road. But then, this really isn't about me.
GEORGE W. BUSH: We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road, or not. The chicken is either against us, or for us. There is no middle ground here.
DICK CHENEY: Where's my gun?
COLIN POWELL: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road.
BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with that chicken. What is your definition of chicken?
AL GORE: I invented the chicken.
JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.
AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white? We need some black chickens.
DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won't realize that he must first deal with the problem on this side of the road before it goes after the problem on the other side of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he's acting by not taking on his current problems before adding new problems.
OPRAH: Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life, I'm going to give this chicken a car so that he can just drive across the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN: We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to the other side of the road.
NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he's guilty! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.
PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.
MARTHA STEWART: No one called me to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer's Market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.
DR SEUSS: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not been told.
ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain, alone.
JERRY FALWELL: Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see the plain truth? That's why they call it the other side. Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And if you eat that chicken, you will become gay, too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like the 'other side.' That chicken should not be crossing the road. It's as plain and as simple as that.
GRANDPA: In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.
BARBARA WALTERS: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart warming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish its lifelong dream of crossing the road.
ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.
JOHN LENNON: Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing roads together, in peace.
BILL GATES: I have just released eChicken 2008, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook. Internet Explorer is an integral part of eChicken 2008. This new platform is much more stable and will never crash or need to be rebooted.
ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?
COLONEL SANDERS: Did I miss one?
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I'm voting for Senator McCain...I sincerely hope that he forges his own path and stays completely away from the majority of President Bush's policies...I'm from Texas and make no mistake, while Governor of Texas, George Bush did an absolutely great job here...Unfortunately, it did not carry over to the national stage...If Senator McCain makes a wise choice for VP, I believe he stands a good chance of winning in November...I'll admit I was intrigued by Senator Obama in the beginning, but far too much has since come to light for me to ever vote for him...But no matter your beliefs, please vote!...
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TMS voting thus far:
Obama 21%
McCain 63%
no votes 16%
The figures I really be interested in would be how much they have spent and how much more they will spend.
Looks like the economy is doing preeeeetty good.
Obama 21%
McCain 63%
no votes 16%
The figures I really be interested in would be how much they have spent and how much more they will spend.
Looks like the economy is doing preeeeetty good.
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Have you guys seen this?
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Tuesday, August 26, 2008
Figures. Michelle Obama Quotes Lines From "Rules For Radicals" In Her DNC Convention Speech (Updated)
Figures.
Michelle Obama quotes lines some radicalFar Left book in her DNC Convention speech.
What to make of Michelle Obama's use the terms, “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be?” From whence do they originate? Try Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals. In last night's speech, Michelle Obama said something that peeked my curiousity. She said:
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Tuesday, August 26, 2008
Figures. Michelle Obama Quotes Lines From "Rules For Radicals" In Her DNC Convention Speech (Updated)
Figures.
Michelle Obama quotes lines some radicalFar Left book in her DNC Convention speech.
What to make of Michelle Obama's use the terms, “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be?” From whence do they originate? Try Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals. In last night's speech, Michelle Obama said something that peeked my curiousity. She said:
"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about “The world as it is” and “The world as it should be..."
And, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do – that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be."
Here’s an excerpt from Chapter 2 of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals:And, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won’t do – that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be."
"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves…The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be."
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