TomServo92

Neither, most mustangs are V6 models sold to young women who might not know or care about suspension components, but can appreciate the more confortable ride IRS can offer. An independant rear suspension offers the best compromise betwen ride and handling and can be more easely tuned for different applications.
(I agree for drag racing the cheapest and the best way to go is with the solid axle.) [/b][/quote]
In regards to highest demographic percentage, I meant among serious enthusiasts (which is what I thought we were discussing).

kevinb120

So branch, you would take a brand new Mustang GT if it had a 280hp(very expensive to mod) V6, breakaway mirrors, and IRS for $27,900 MSRP, add leather, 18" wheels, nav, and a brake option with hids for say $34,500?

Name ONE car PLEASE that offers a 300hp V8 with IRS for $24,800 MSRP.

I am soooo sick of the whining. There is an IRS mustang coming up, just buy that. I dont know why you drive a live-axle mustang now There is nothing close to Mustang GT in price/performance/dollar. When Nissan puts a V8, a rear seat, decent quality interior in the 350 and marks it down to $24,900, then I will whine about the GT.


You need to pay to play. Why haven't you put IRS in your 94? It can be done.

Here's a reality check for you, I paid 34k for my 250 hp, 15mpg(premium) Mid-14's RX7 TT in 1993. Where is this 'miracle car' you keep talking about?

Everyone wants something for nothing.

Dr Iven

John Force says...

Dr Iven

$28k is the BASE price of the 250 hp 300C. And where is your list of equipment that totals $10k over the Mustang??

A fairer comparison would be comparing the GT to the entry-level 300C. Base price of $23,920 (plus destination), 4-wheel independent suspension, and a 4-speed automatic. Oh, yeah, and a 2.7L V6 with, *cough*, 190 hp.

Sedans versus coupes, IRS versus solid axle, dems verus reps... can't we all just get along?

kevinb120

There is a dealer across the street, decently equipped 300s are way into the 30's, all of them except the stripper. The 300 is NOT that great a car. and why the F does branch not shut up about it? Just go buy one

Something tells me the 300 and mustang are not often cross-shopped. Its kinda like when people cant decide between an MR2 and a subaru forrester. DUH. People do not drag race sedans either, 500's main competitor is Avalon. I checked the price list, there will be AWD/CVT sedans with MSRP's WELL under 28k well equipped. CVT makes up for about 50hp. The 250+hp 3.5 should show next year.

Avalanche

http://www.chrysler.com/300/index.html?con...rapper&type=top

incorrect go to the link to see the starting prices for all models

300C comes standard w/ the hemi

kevinb120

all the 300c s in stock average around $37K.

Dr Iven

I got all my prices from that page.

The 300C that starts at (checks page once more) $33,495 DOES come standard with the HEMI. Kudos for that information.

However, the one that starts at (checks again for accuracy) $23,920 has a 190 hp 2.7L V6.

No comparison... Especially since it is a SEDAN. I can't believe I've participated in this shamefulness.

Evil_Capri

If the 500/Montego can AT LEAST be somewhat competitive for the first two years, at which time both will be refreshed and as Kevin metioned be offered with the 3.5 V6, and the Fusion sells better than the Contour, WATCH out when/if Ford builds the 427 (rumored to be 2008).

Time will tell . . .

Ford could, as I use the word "could" loosely, own every segment( Yes, I drink too much Ford Blue Kool-Aid). (Ford is behind Toyota 26 problems per 100 vehicles, 101 vs. 127 respectivley and closing the gap [the launch of the Mustang/500/Freestyle/Montego/Mariner/Escape Hybrid could close the gap further if problems are few and far between], and Toyota MAY be having some problems in quality, but have TONS of cash to fix said "possible" problems. Though it will not matter much to the buying public, but problems nontheless.)

kevinb120

427 with 6.2 hurricane mind you. On a dew-lite chassis. Ford should call Chrysler up and tell them to give them their styling back. I still cant believe the 300 styling ripoff. Also there is a 'unnamed compact suv' to bow sometime in 07-08. Think Bronco.

Evil_Capri

svtdriver

Since the 300 base model seems to be the comparision. Shouldn't it be compared to the V6 mustang which will be under $20k. I mean at least it is comparable in engine size and power. Though it is still down on the mustang V6. But more expensive for it's IRS and other such frills.

kevinb120

Its funny that the 300 with its in-you-face attitude and the 500 which will be very elegantly understated, the Japaneese offerings are starting to look tired.

kevinb120

as for 300 styling though:

bob

IRS, telescoping antenna, folding mirrors, remote gas cap.

more crap to break, especially a telescoping antenna.

frivolous gadgets really (except an IRS) which would only add cost and complexity and do nothing for performance.

Ripstang

Am I wrong or did ford and george barris have the look of the 300 years ago in this movie?

Robert

I was just thinking the same thing.

The Car...what a great flick!

Avalanche

I got all my prices from that page.

The 300C that starts at (checks page once more) $33,495 DOES come standard with the HEMI. Kudos for that information.

However, the one that starts at (checks again for accuracy) $23,920 has a 190 hp 2.7L V6.

No comparison... Especially since it is a SEDAN. I can't believe I've participated in this shamefulness. [/b][/quote]
yup I was comparing low model 300 to the V6, and the 300c to the GT.

kn7671

yup I was comparing low model 300 to the V6, and the 300c to the GT. [/b][/quote]
Why are people even comparing the 300C to the Mustang GT?

Those 2 cars are not anywhere near the same, below are the obvious that they are not competing for the same customer.

Compare:
Chrysler 300C = 4046lbs
'05 Mustang GT = 3450lbs (est)

Chrysler 300C = family car
'05 Mustang GT = sports car

Chrysler 300C = designed for comfort and safetly
'05 Mustang GT = designed to excite you in safety

Chrysler 300C = looks lethargic
'05 Mustang GT = balanced design

Chrysler 300C = 4 doors
'05 Mustang GT = 2 doors

Chrysler 300C = $1000.00 discount (already)
'05 Mustang GT = no discount will be needed.

Chrysler 300C = not selling well
'05 Mustang GT = people are laying down cash before they arrive

Chrysler 300C = No manual transmission offered, 5-speed auto only on V8 300C
'05 Mustang GT = 5-speed manual or 5-speed auto across the board

Chrysler 300C = lots of passenger room and trunk space/storage
'05 Mustang GT = little passenger space and small trunk area

If some of you guys want to continue that the Mustang doesn't come with IRS, is underpowered, or this or that, well then go sit and :spin: at your Chrysler or Nissan dealer, as they will be very to take your money and you for it.