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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by mobster@March 14, 2005, 10:25 PM
Yeah they did (well aleast the 68 did) I belive it had six lights on each side.
Actually both 67 & 68 shelby's had them.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 04:58 AM
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Honestly, I hope they are neither sequential nor the longer lights. The standard Mustang lights look the best IMHO. sequential are too gimicky (rice).
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 06:01 AM
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Both the '67 and '68 Shelby's had the long horizontal bars. This just tells me once more that we can expect a Shelby Mustang built by SVT. Remember, that as a young boy growing up in Vietnam, Hau Tai Tang fell in love with those late '60s Mustangs. Along with J. Mays, he's given us a retro Stang - my guess is that they will continue that retro theme into the upcoming "Cobra" as well. Plus we know Carol Shelby is back working with Ford and that a "Shelby Mustang" has been announced. All the pieces fit.

Somewhere, Carol Shelby and Hau Tai Tang are sitting together having a beer, laughing at all the endless speculation taking place - all part of their master plan to feed enthusiasts' curiosity and desire. And guess what? It's working pretty well, isn't it?
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 09:25 AM
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I don't disagree that it would fit the retro theme, but, I just think they look as good. It doesn't really matter, as long as the engine and suspension live up to the hype.


They don't need to hype me up any more. I am maxed out as it is.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Robert@March 15, 2005, 8:04 AM
Both the '67 and '68 Shelby's had the long horizontal bars. This just tells me once more that we can expect a Shelby Mustang built by SVT. Remember, that as a young boy growing up in Vietnam, Hau Tai Tang fell in love with those late '60s Mustangs. Along with J. Mays, he's given us a retro Stang - my guess is that they will continue that retro theme into the upcoming "Cobra" as well. Plus we know Carol Shelby is back working with Ford and that a "Shelby Mustang" has been announced. All the pieces fit.

Somewhere, Carol Shelby and Hau Tai Tang are sitting together having a beer, laughing at all the endless speculation taking place - all part of their master plan to feed enthusiasts' curiosity and desire. And guess what? It's working pretty well, isn't it?
Not saying that you're wrong but I disagree. If anything, the "pieces" I've found points to 2 mustangs: one Shelby, one SVT.

SVT has said they have their own mustang. Shelby has said the same thing.

If this turns out to to be the SAME mustang, I will be very disappointed. It would show a lack of creative ingenuitiy from SVT. If SVT plans to claim their stake w/ Ford (and the automotive world), they need to develop car (mustang) completely independent from Shelby.

I'm not Shelby bashing, just dreaming that on the new line-up of mustangs you will be able to hear: v6, GT, SVT, Shelby, Saleen, Roush, Steeda.....
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by slavehand@March 15, 2005, 10:48 AM

Not saying that you're wrong but I disagree. If anything, the "pieces" I've found points to 2 mustangs: one Shelby, one SVT.

SVT has said they have their own mustang. Shelby has said the same thing.

If this turns out to to be the SAME mustang, I will be very disappointed. It would show a lack of creative ingenuitiy from SVT. If SVT plans to claim their stake w/ Ford (and the automotive world), they need to develop car (mustang) completely independent from Shelby.

I'm not Shelby bashing, just dreaming that on the new line-up of mustangs you will be able to hear: v6, GT, SVT, Shelby, Saleen, Roush, Steeda.....

I agree, combining the two shows a lack of creativity and originality, the two should be separate and distinct. I would be disappointed as well. I would love to see the line-up you suggested with an S/E edition Boss or Mach added to the mix later. Truly a great time to be a Mustang enthusiast!!
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 01:24 PM
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Thank you.

Throw a BOSS or a Mach 1 or some SE in the mix would just add to the glory of the Mustang. Like I've said earlier, what other car in history has so many versions of one great car? None.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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Sorry guys, I disagree. Everything points to ONE car (or two levels of one car). SVT has said that they will unveil a car in New York. Carol Shelby said on the radio that the Shelby would be unveiled at the same show in New York, and that it was THE car everyone's talking about: the Cobra. SVT never said that the Shelby name would not be used on their car...and Carol Shelby never said that his Mustang WOULDN'T be built by SVT.

It's a big tease to keep us guessing, but I can tell you from an Economics 101 perspective that Ford can't make a business case in its current financial situation to do R&D and development on an SVT Cobra...a Shelby GT350 Cobra...a Shelby GT500 Cobra...and then add Machs, Bosses, etc, etc in the years to come, too.

The company is cash strapped and that many variations of a single top-of-the-line Mustang makes no logical sense.

Shelby by SVT (or something like that) is what you're going to see. I'll bet anyone here a case of beer on it.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Robert@March 15, 2005, 6:19 PM
Sorry guys, I disagree. Everything points to ONE car (or two levels of one car). SVT has said that they will unveil a car in New York. Carol Shelby said on the radio that the Shelby would be unveiled at the same show in New York, and that it was THE car everyone's talking about: the Cobra. SVT never said that the Shelby name would not be used on their car...and Carol Shelby never said that his Mustang WOULDN'T be built by SVT.

It's a big tease to keep us guessing, but I can tell you from an Economics 101 perspective that Ford can't make a business case in its current financial situation to do R&D and development on an SVT Cobra...a Shelby GT350 Cobra...a Shelby GT500 Cobra...and then add Machs, Bosses, etc, etc in the years to come, too.

The company is cash strapped and that many variations of a single top-of-the-line Mustang makes no logical sense.

Shelby by SVT (or something like that) is what you're going to see. I'll bet anyone here a case of beer on it.
Sorry, the April issue of Road & Track says otherwise.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by anaki+March 15, 2005, 6:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(anaki @ March 15, 2005, 6:38 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Robert@March 15, 2005, 6:19 PM
Sorry guys, I disagree. Everything points to ONE car (or two levels of one car). SVT has said that they will unveil a car in New York. Carol Shelby said on the radio that the Shelby would be unveiled at the same show in New York, and that it was THE car everyone's talking about: the Cobra. SVT never said that the Shelby name would not be used on their car...and Carol Shelby never said that his Mustang WOULDN'T be built by SVT.

It's a big tease to keep us guessing, but I can tell you from an Economics 101 perspective that Ford can't make a business case in its current financial situation to do R&D and development on an SVT Cobra...a Shelby GT350 Cobra...a Shelby GT500 Cobra...and then add Machs, Bosses, etc, etc in the years to come, too.

The company is cash strapped and that many variations of a single top-of-the-line Mustang makes no logical sense.

Shelby by SVT (or something like that) is what you're going to see. I'll bet anyone here a case of beer on it.
Sorry, the April issue of Road & Track says otherwise.
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Read it once more, carefully. It actually doesn't contradict anything I say.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 06:25 PM
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Read it once more, carefully. It actually doesn't contradict anything I say.
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I didn't need to read it the first time. I already know what the car is going to be.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by anaki,March 15, 2005, 8:28 PM
Read it once more, carefully. It actually doesn't contradict anything I say.
I didn't need to read it the first time. I already know what the car is going to be.
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...and that would be...????

IIRC you said earlier it was Cobra, not, Shelby.
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Old Mar 15, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by Robert@March 15, 2005, 6:19 PM
Sorry guys, I disagree. Everything points to ONE car (or two levels of one car). SVT has said that they will unveil a car in New York. Carol Shelby said on the radio that the Shelby would be unveiled at the same show in New York, and that it was THE car everyone's talking about: the Cobra. SVT never said that the Shelby name would not be used on their car...and Carol Shelby never said that his Mustang WOULDN'T be built by SVT.

It's a big tease to keep us guessing, but I can tell you from an Economics 101 perspective that Ford can't make a business case in its current financial situation to do R&D and development on an SVT Cobra...a Shelby GT350 Cobra...a Shelby GT500 Cobra...and then add Machs, Bosses, etc, etc in the years to come, too.

The company is cash strapped and that many variations of a single top-of-the-line Mustang makes no logical sense.

Shelby by SVT (or something like that) is what you're going to see. I'll bet anyone here a case of beer on it.

I don't drink but I'll take that bet for a hot fudge sundae. I'll bet that you will NOT see Shelby's name anywhere on the Cobra Mustang.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 06:07 AM
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Originally posted by Robert@March 15, 2005, 7:19 PM
I'll bet anyone here a case of beer on it.
Is that our **** poor American lager? Or some good old Canadian brew? 'Cause if that's Budwieser yer talkin' about, you better make it 2 cases.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:24 AM
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Robert, I agree Ford would not produce three SVT models, a Cobra, a GT350 and a GT500, it doesn't make economic sense. If Ford produced that many variants, (plus the forthcoming SE model) they would simply be stealing sales from each other and not increasing Ford's market share, plus drive up the cost.

However, I don't think that Shelby needs SVT to sell Mustangs. If there is any single individual in the Mustang's rich heritage that can sell cars just on his name alone, it would be Shelby. I think Ford is missing an opportunity if they combine SVT and Shelby into a single product offering. By offering a stand alone Shelby product, Ford could compete directly with Saleen and Roush as well as garnering business that might otherwise go to the Corvette, BMW or others. Producing a Shelby Mustang would allow Ford to go even more upmarket with the Mustang. Bottom line is there will be Shelby, however, my vote would be to offer it as a single, stand alone offering capable of delivering awesome performance. Think of it as a modern Eleanor, without the $100K price tag and the maxed out 427

As was stated earlier by slavehand, the model lineup should look like this:

Base V6
GT
SE Model (Mach or Boss - not both concurrently)
SVT Cobra (425 - 450 hp, 6 speed, IRS Optional, 18" Wheels) Price: $40 - $45K
Shelby GT500 (500 hp Underrated, 6 speed, Distinct Exterior and Interior treatment, , IRS Standard, 20" wheels, 14" brakes, serialized limited production) Price: $55K+
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by slavehand+March 16, 2005, 7:10 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(slavehand @ March 16, 2005, 7:10 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Robert@March 15, 2005, 7:19 PM
I'll bet anyone here a case of beer on it.
Is that our **** poor American lager? Or some good old Canadian brew? 'Cause if that's Budwieser yer talkin' about, you better make it 2 cases.
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Naw, we'll get ya some Molson, eh.

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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by MustangFanatic@March 16, 2005, 8:27 AM
Robert, I agree Ford would not produce three SVT models, a Cobra, a GT350 and a GT500, it doesn't make economic sense. If Ford produced that many variants, (plus the forthcoming SE model) they would simply be stealing sales from each other and not increasing Ford's market share, plus drive up the cost.

However, I don't think that Shelby needs SVT to sell Mustangs. If there is any single individual in the Mustang's rich heritage that can sell cars just on his name alone, it would be Shelby. I think Ford is missing an opportunity if they combine SVT and Shelby into a single product offering. By offering a stand alone Shelby product, Ford could compete directly with Saleen and Roush as well as garnering business that might otherwise go to the Corvette, BMW or others. Producing a Shelby Mustang would allow Ford to go even more upmarket with the Mustang. Bottom line is there will be Shelby, however, my vote would be to offer it as a single, stand alone offering capable of delivering awesome performance. Think of it as a modern Eleanor, without the $100K price tag and the maxed out 427

As was stated earlier by slavehand, the model lineup should look like this:

Base V6
GT
SE Model (Mach or Boss - not both concurrently)
SVT Cobra (425 - 450 hp, 6 speed, IRS Optional, 18" Wheels) Price: $40 - $45K
Shelby GT500 (500 hp Underrated, 6 speed, Distinct Exterior and Interior treatment, , IRS Standard, 20" wheels, 14" brakes, serialized limited production) Price: $55K+
Yeah, I could see that readily enough. I think what I'm saying is that if there is a Shelby GT500 it will be built by Ford in house - which means SVT will end up building it. Remember, they built the GT supercar and will be building the Shelby GR-1 Daytona for Ford. So, again, built by the SVT division but with Shelby's name on it.

I don't think Shelby has an independent facility right now to handle the kind of volume and process needed to turn out cars under the Ford moniker. I could be wrong.

Either way, we're gonna get us some cool cars in the next 12 to 36 months!
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by MustangFanatic@March 16, 2005, 9:27 AM

As was stated earlier by slavehand, the model lineup should look like this:

Base V6
GT
SE Model (Mach or Boss - not both concurrently)
SVT Cobra (425 - 450 hp, 6 speed, IRS Optional, 18" Wheels) Price: $40 - $45K
Shelby GT500 (500 hp Underrated, 6 speed, Distinct Exterior and Interior treatment, , IRS Standard, 20" wheels, 14" brakes, serialized limited production) Price: $55K+
Why couldn't the GT350 be the Mach or Boss level SE? That seems to make a lot of sense to me.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by Robert+March 16, 2005, 9:35 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Robert @ March 16, 2005, 9:35 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-MustangFanatic@March 16, 2005, 8:27 AM
Robert, I agree Ford would not produce three SVT models, a Cobra, a GT350 and a GT500, it doesn't make economic sense. If Ford produced that many variants, (plus the forthcoming SE model) they would simply be stealing sales from each other and not increasing Ford's market share, plus drive up the cost.

However, I don't think that Shelby needs SVT to sell Mustangs. If there is any single individual in the Mustang's rich heritage that can sell cars just on his name alone, it would be Shelby. I think Ford is missing an opportunity if they combine SVT and Shelby into a single product offering. By offering a stand alone Shelby product, Ford could compete directly with Saleen and Roush as well as garnering business that might otherwise go to the Corvette, BMW or others. Producing a Shelby Mustang would allow Ford to go even more upmarket with the Mustang. Bottom line is there will be Shelby, however, my vote would be to offer it as a single, stand alone offering capable of delivering awesome performance. Think of it as a modern Eleanor, without the $100K price tag and the maxed out 427

As was stated earlier by slavehand, the model lineup should look like this:

Base V6
GT
SE Model (Mach or Boss - not both concurrently)
SVT Cobra (425 - 450 hp, 6 speed, IRS Optional, 18" Wheels) Price: $40 - $45K
Shelby GT500 (500 hp Underrated, 6 speed, Distinct Exterior and Interior treatment, , IRS Standard, 20" wheels, 14" brakes, serialized limited production) Price: $55K+
Yeah, I could see that readily enough. I think what I'm saying is that if there is a Shelby GT500 it will be built by Ford in house - which means SVT will end up building it. Remember, they built the GT supercar and will be building the Shelby GR-1 Daytona for Ford. So, again, built by the SVT division but with Shelby's name on it.

I don't think Shelby has an independent facility right now to handle the kind of volume and process needed to turn out cars under the Ford moniker. I could be wrong.

Either way, we're gonna get us some cool cars in the next 12 to 36 months!
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Now IF what you're saying is this: Cobra by SVT AND SHELBY by SVT? I think that would be an acceptable approach by all parties involved being a win/win/win situation for Ford, Shelby, and the consumer. Is this what you're referring to Roberto?
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 08:23 AM
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I agree with Crazyhorse (again). The Cobra will be the Cobra and the the Shelby could the be SE. Maybe they do a GT350 first and a GT500 a year or two later.
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