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4/14/05, 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by mmoonshot@April 14, 2005, 1:28 PM
A great car, a lousy ordering experience...I have never been so anxious to spend this much of my hard earned dough, and feel as though ford is doing me some kind of favor by building me a car, they need to get their act together, Chevy will not be left out of this for long...Yes I said it,,, CHEVY aka CAMARO..
A great car, a lousy ordering experience...I have never been so anxious to spend this much of my hard earned dough, and feel as though ford is doing me some kind of favor by building me a car, they need to get their act together, Chevy will not be left out of this for long...Yes I said it,,, CHEVY aka CAMARO..
4/14/05, 07:15 PM
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This is why I ordered back in August. Before everyone on the planet decided they wanted to order one.
4/14/05, 07:16 PM
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It is simply worth the wait.
I took mine out for a drive with a mustang/racing enthusiast.
On the return it was a cool thing for me to give him the keys.
We both drove enough to agree.
It is simply worth the wait.
I took mine out for a drive with a mustang/racing enthusiast.
On the return it was a cool thing for me to give him the keys.
We both drove enough to agree.
It is simply worth the wait.
4/14/05, 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by mmoonshot@April 14, 2005, 1:52 PM
listen, when the stang came out in 64 they had the same mentality then, there was a rush for the car, Ford kept up with the demand , = customer satisfaction = return customers, Chevy countered the mustang with the camaro then two and a half years later, Chevy will follow suit this time as well, I love the new mustang, I just feel that Ford is out of touch with the customers who want this car, its not about dealers, its not about allocation, its about customers, you and me and all of the others willing to drop the dough and order a car that we identify with. Ford has failed us this year, I am sick of the waiting, the run around, the poor logistics, the poor allocation process, yet I continue to wait to shovel over my money, and so do you all, we should get together, all of us and petition Ford.
Just an idea, what do you all think.
listen, when the stang came out in 64 they had the same mentality then, there was a rush for the car, Ford kept up with the demand , = customer satisfaction = return customers, Chevy countered the mustang with the camaro then two and a half years later, Chevy will follow suit this time as well, I love the new mustang, I just feel that Ford is out of touch with the customers who want this car, its not about dealers, its not about allocation, its about customers, you and me and all of the others willing to drop the dough and order a car that we identify with. Ford has failed us this year, I am sick of the waiting, the run around, the poor logistics, the poor allocation process, yet I continue to wait to shovel over my money, and so do you all, we should get together, all of us and petition Ford.
Just an idea, what do you all think.
4/14/05, 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by mmoonshot+April 14, 2005, 2:46 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mmoonshot @ April 14, 2005, 2:46 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-97svtgoin05gt@April 14, 2005, 2:31 PM
I believe that the people who are completely informed via this site, and who are also yelling the loudest regarding an ORDERED car are just out of their minds. You can see by reading detailed posts by members that when SPECIAL ordering your car, you leave yourself exposed for the random draw by which they build these cars.
There are several things we need to keep in mind while losing our minds over availability here.
1) This is a brand new car in a BRAND NEW PLANT. This is first year production of this car at AAI, and while we'd all like to think that production was 100% job 1, we need to face facts that it wasn't.
2) We've all heard about the transportation issues, rail cars, docks etc. There's a certain amount of stuff that is out of Fords, dealers, and our control.
3) If GM does decide to make a next gen Camaro (which I personally doubt considering their current position) they probably won't have the issues because the popularity of that car doesn't come anywhere near the popularity of this one.
There are production units out there. It takes some doing, but you can find a car. Be flexible, use the system and most of all, be determined. If you ordered a car and have decided you must have the exact one you ordered, patience is the word of the day.
I believe that the people who are completely informed via this site, and who are also yelling the loudest regarding an ORDERED car are just out of their minds. You can see by reading detailed posts by members that when SPECIAL ordering your car, you leave yourself exposed for the random draw by which they build these cars.
There are several things we need to keep in mind while losing our minds over availability here.
1) This is a brand new car in a BRAND NEW PLANT. This is first year production of this car at AAI, and while we'd all like to think that production was 100% job 1, we need to face facts that it wasn't.
2) We've all heard about the transportation issues, rail cars, docks etc. There's a certain amount of stuff that is out of Fords, dealers, and our control.
3) If GM does decide to make a next gen Camaro (which I personally doubt considering their current position) they probably won't have the issues because the popularity of that car doesn't come anywhere near the popularity of this one.
There are production units out there. It takes some doing, but you can find a car. Be flexible, use the system and most of all, be determined. If you ordered a car and have decided you must have the exact one you ordered, patience is the word of the day.
2. Wrong, not out of Fords control, try again.
3. Really Really wrong, the camaro Z-28 was one of the most popular american muscle cars of all time, with production numbers surpassing the mustang.
You sir are wrong !!!!...Sorry.... :notnice:
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3. LOL :nono: there were a total of 220906 camaro's built(67-02), Ford made over 1 million mustangs in 64 1/2 and 65 alone, get your facts straight GM boy
4/14/05, 07:54 PM
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Concerning your #1, I thought I remebered reading that dealers could not keep the cars on the showroom floors in 64 and even had auctions when they first hit because 12 people wanted the same car - how is this outproducing demand?....
4/14/05, 08:15 PM
#47
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Originally posted by TURBO 05@April 14, 2005, 7:40 PM
3. LOL :nono: there were a total of 220906 camaro's built(67-02), Ford made over 1 million mustangs in 64 1/2 and 65 alone, get your facts straight GM boy
3. LOL :nono: there were a total of 220906 camaro's built(67-02), Ford made over 1 million mustangs in 64 1/2 and 65 alone, get your facts straight GM boy
1967 220,906
1968 235,147
1969 243,085
1970 124,901
1971 114,630
1972 68,51
1973 96,751
1974 151,008
1975 145,770
1976 182,959
1978 272,631
1979 282,571
1980 152,005
1981 152,005
1982 189,747
1983 154,381
1984 261,591
1985 180,018
1986 192,219
1987 137,760
1988 96,275
1989 96,275
1990 34,986
1991 100,838
1992 70,007
1993 39,103
1994 119,799
1995 122,738
1996 61,362
1997 95,812
1998 48,490
1999 42,098
2000 45,417
2001 29,009
2002 42,098
4/14/05, 08:37 PM
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Over the years I remember a lot of very hot "new" cars and if you wanted one (I mean really wanted one), you jumped on it and bought one, or you wished you had. If you thought you would wait for them to suddenly be offered for test drives by anyone walking off the street, or you thought they would become very plentiful soon and the price would somehow magically drop, you lost out.....period. The '05 Mustang is not the first nor will it be the last. I ordered in September and took delivery 11-15-04, with everything I wanted on the car. If you had personal issues, that might be part of where the so called "blame" lies.
4/14/05, 08:44 PM
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Yeah it stinks waiting for something, you don't know you'll ever get! I thought that at 12weeks. It took about 17 weeks for delivery! Dealer told me 120 days, when ordering!
About this 64/65 vamping production for demands. The 64/65 were so simple to build and used so many parts of the Falcon. The 05 is brand new ground up!,with all the now stuff!
About the Camaro, production is nowhere near Mustang. GM chose to axe the Camaro, then to compete with Ford for the pony spot. Now Ford in turn, backup the new 05. Why do you think, there's talk about bring back the Camaro? because of the 05 Mustang! Don't get me wrong, I've owned a 55,56,57,67,82,85,87,89 Chevys. but,they are a different breed!
Happy Trails!!!
About this 64/65 vamping production for demands. The 64/65 were so simple to build and used so many parts of the Falcon. The 05 is brand new ground up!,with all the now stuff!
About the Camaro, production is nowhere near Mustang. GM chose to axe the Camaro, then to compete with Ford for the pony spot. Now Ford in turn, backup the new 05. Why do you think, there's talk about bring back the Camaro? because of the 05 Mustang! Don't get me wrong, I've owned a 55,56,57,67,82,85,87,89 Chevys. but,they are a different breed!
Happy Trails!!!
4/14/05, 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by TheMustangSource@April 14, 2005, 2:41 PM
Ford started taking orders for this car 11 months ago, so while I can appreciate enthusiasm for the car, it's hard for me to have sympathy for those who don't want to wait 6-12 weeks for a car after placing an order this late in the run. I do feel bad for those that ordered IUP and other options of which Ford underestimated the popularity. I don't think there will be anything in 2005 you can't get in 2006, so I'd just ask that you be patient. Hau Thai-Tang's order hasn't been scheduled yet, so please be understanding.
Ford started taking orders for this car 11 months ago, so while I can appreciate enthusiasm for the car, it's hard for me to have sympathy for those who don't want to wait 6-12 weeks for a car after placing an order this late in the run. I do feel bad for those that ordered IUP and other options of which Ford underestimated the popularity. I don't think there will be anything in 2005 you can't get in 2006, so I'd just ask that you be patient. Hau Thai-Tang's order hasn't been scheduled yet, so please be understanding.
Then guess what? They should not have told me 6-8 weeks when I ordered. That was their exact words. I said, "how long of a wait am I looking at 10-12 weeks?" The Ford salesman said "no, 6-10 weeks." And you wonder why people are angry? I ordered Feb 8, they should have had a clue by then. I've came back to this company after being unhappy with Ford's models (and service) the past 25 years! They're arrogant, cocky, and downright lie in the dealerships. God, I believe in Buying American, I try to buy the best American models I can find, finally it's a Ford. June 1 is my deadline, if no word by then I'll be getting my second choice. Growing up surrounded by Big 3 employers in a community that relies heavily on the auto industry, I sincerely hope things improve, but the attitude I'm seeing is that they take us for granted.
4/14/05, 09:19 PM
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If your dealer told you 6-8 weeks and it is taking longer, don't get mad at Ford, get mad at your dealer. They know how much allocation they get and have a very reasonable estimate and when you should get your car. It isn't Ford's fault the dealer jerked you around.
4/14/05, 09:23 PM
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Yes they will. They (Chevy) are at best 3 years or at normal 4 years away from another Camero. Why? Because you have to have a place to build it at. The assemly plant in Canada where the car was last produced is now making Trailblazers. So with no assemly plant and no car design and no supliers they will not a be a Camero in the near future.
Originally posted by mmoonshot@April 14, 2005, 1:28 PM
A great car, a lousy ordering experience...I have never been so anxious to spend this much of my hard earned dough, and feel as though ford is doing me some kind of favor by building me a car, they need to get their act together, Chevy will not be left out of this for long...Yes I said it,,, CHEVY aka CAMARO..
A great car, a lousy ordering experience...I have never been so anxious to spend this much of my hard earned dough, and feel as though ford is doing me some kind of favor by building me a car, they need to get their act together, Chevy will not be left out of this for long...Yes I said it,,, CHEVY aka CAMARO..
4/14/05, 09:27 PM
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There are 5500 Ford dealers in the country alone. What do you want from the company? The allocation sysetm is the fairest way that they have so as many dealers get the cars as possible if they did not have a system they do then will 70% of the Mustangs would end up in Califorinia. Its not perfect but its whats there. And individual dealers are not being fair to there customers. Ford itself doesn't own any dealerships.
Originally posted by moc1976@April 14, 2005, 1:35 PM
I agree with you, been waiting nearly 12 weeks, still C/U. You'll probably get a lot of feedback disagreeing with you, as there are a lot of folks here that think that Ford is doing everything they can or that they didn't make any mistakes on their estimates.
My beef is with their allocation of GTs, their allocation process to the dealers (not filling retail orders before dealer stock), keeping the dealers and customers in the dark about when to expect their car, and some of Ford's "fixes", like disabling the global open close feature of the active anti-theft package instead of fixing it. :notnice:
Anyway, with all these months of no car payment, maybe I'll get myself a new set of golf clubs
I agree with you, been waiting nearly 12 weeks, still C/U. You'll probably get a lot of feedback disagreeing with you, as there are a lot of folks here that think that Ford is doing everything they can or that they didn't make any mistakes on their estimates.
My beef is with their allocation of GTs, their allocation process to the dealers (not filling retail orders before dealer stock), keeping the dealers and customers in the dark about when to expect their car, and some of Ford's "fixes", like disabling the global open close feature of the active anti-theft package instead of fixing it. :notnice:
Anyway, with all these months of no car payment, maybe I'll get myself a new set of golf clubs
. please !!! This is getting old.
4/14/05, 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by elwhit95+April 14, 2005, 10:30 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(elwhit95 @ April 14, 2005, 10:30 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>There are 5500 Ford dealers in the country alone. What do you want from the company? The allocation sysetm is the fairest way that they have so as many dealers get the cars as possible if they did not have a system they do then will 70% of the Mustangs would end up in Califorinia. Its not perfect but its whats there. And individual dealers are not being fair to there customers. Ford itself doesn't own any dealerships.
<!--QuoteBegin-moc1976@April 14, 2005, 1:35 PM
I agree with you, been waiting nearly 12 weeks, still C/U. You'll probably get a lot of feedback disagreeing with you, as there are a lot of folks here that think that Ford is doing everything they can or that they didn't make any mistakes on their estimates.
My beef is with their allocation of GTs, their allocation process to the dealers (not filling retail orders before dealer stock), keeping the dealers and customers in the dark about when to expect their car, and some of Ford's "fixes", like disabling the global open close feature of the active anti-theft package instead of fixing it. :notnice:
Anyway, with all these months of no car payment, maybe I'll get myself a new set of golf clubs
<!--QuoteBegin-moc1976@April 14, 2005, 1:35 PM
I agree with you, been waiting nearly 12 weeks, still C/U. You'll probably get a lot of feedback disagreeing with you, as there are a lot of folks here that think that Ford is doing everything they can or that they didn't make any mistakes on their estimates.
My beef is with their allocation of GTs, their allocation process to the dealers (not filling retail orders before dealer stock), keeping the dealers and customers in the dark about when to expect their car, and some of Ford's "fixes", like disabling the global open close feature of the active anti-theft package instead of fixing it. :notnice:
Anyway, with all these months of no car payment, maybe I'll get myself a new set of golf clubs
B.S.
4/15/05, 01:03 AM
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Good one there buddy my father was the GM for my local dealer until he retired a few years ago and the current GM is one of my neighbors. I have been around that aspect of the business since I started driving 12 years ago and I happen to know in this case I am correct. Check your facts first...
B.S.
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Originally posted by kcrw898+April 14, 2005, 11:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(kcrw898 @ April 14, 2005, 11:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by elwhit95@April 14, 2005, 10:30 PM
There are 5500 Ford dealers in the country alone. What do you want from the company? The allocation sysetm is the fairest way that they have so as many dealers get the cars as possible if they did not have a system they do then will 70% of the Mustangs would end up in Califorinia. Its not perfect but its whats there. And individual dealers are not being fair to there customers. Ford itself doesn't own any dealerships.
<!--QuoteBegin-moc1976
There are 5500 Ford dealers in the country alone. What do you want from the company? The allocation sysetm is the fairest way that they have so as many dealers get the cars as possible if they did not have a system they do then will 70% of the Mustangs would end up in Califorinia. Its not perfect but its whats there. And individual dealers are not being fair to there customers. Ford itself doesn't own any dealerships.
<!--QuoteBegin-moc1976
@April 14, 2005, 1:35 PM
I agree with you, been waiting nearly 12 weeks, still C/U. You'll probably get a lot of feedback disagreeing with you, as there are a lot of folks here that think that Ford is doing everything they can or that they didn't make any mistakes on their estimates.
My beef is with their allocation of GTs, their allocation process to the dealers (not filling retail orders before dealer stock), keeping the dealers and customers in the dark about when to expect their car, and some of Ford's "fixes", like disabling the global open close feature of the active anti-theft package instead of fixing it. :notnice:
Anyway, with all these months of no car payment, maybe I'll get myself a new set of golf clubs
I agree with you, been waiting nearly 12 weeks, still C/U. You'll probably get a lot of feedback disagreeing with you, as there are a lot of folks here that think that Ford is doing everything they can or that they didn't make any mistakes on their estimates.
My beef is with their allocation of GTs, their allocation process to the dealers (not filling retail orders before dealer stock), keeping the dealers and customers in the dark about when to expect their car, and some of Ford's "fixes", like disabling the global open close feature of the active anti-theft package instead of fixing it. :notnice:
Anyway, with all these months of no car payment, maybe I'll get myself a new set of golf clubs
B.S.
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4/15/05, 06:16 AM
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OH my GOD...
the ammount of missinformation in this thread is KILLING me...
St.Therese in Quebec where the FTwins used to be built is now a pile of rubble.
AND anyone who feels like reading up on the why's/hows of the camaro/firebird situation, go do some reading. Its not a short story.
It comes down to the Union (CAW), a grant/loan from the government to keep the car at that plant...and the eventual closing/demo of the plant, which kept GM from using the Camaro/Firebird name for 'X' number of years, and something about the loan being paid back.
Its getting old too, and I'm locking the thread.
the ammount of missinformation in this thread is KILLING me...
St.Therese in Quebec where the FTwins used to be built is now a pile of rubble.
AND anyone who feels like reading up on the why's/hows of the camaro/firebird situation, go do some reading. Its not a short story.
It comes down to the Union (CAW), a grant/loan from the government to keep the car at that plant...and the eventual closing/demo of the plant, which kept GM from using the Camaro/Firebird name for 'X' number of years, and something about the loan being paid back.
Its getting old too, and I'm locking the thread.
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