Cancelling my GT order
2/12/05, 09:33 PM
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There's brand new GT's on E-bay all the time! You should be able to score the one you want in less than a month!
But hey, if you want the Infiniti then buy it! Nice, quiet, comfortable commuter car with some pep. I love my Cobras but I like the g35's looks myself.
I guess you could always find a nice used stang later to satisfy your outlaw tendencies! Anddddd still be part of the inner circle here at TMS.
But hey, if you want the Infiniti then buy it! Nice, quiet, comfortable commuter car with some pep. I love my Cobras but I like the g35's looks myself.
I guess you could always find a nice used stang later to satisfy your outlaw tendencies! Anddddd still be part of the inner circle here at TMS.
2/12/05, 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by KansasCityTim@February 12, 2005, 7:02 PM
Wow....people were a lot nicer to me about the vette.
Wow....people were a lot nicer to me about the vette.
2/12/05, 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by Clemens9+February 12, 2005, 10:14 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Clemens9 @ February 12, 2005, 10:14 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Yeah, they are pretty close power/speed wise stock for stock, but the GT would edge it out. I think the extra luxury would make me feel fine with it though
Actually it's not that close, the 350Z is faster than the G35, and the Mustang beats out the Z. I think I read that the G35 does 0-60 around 6 seconds.
Originally posted by holderca1@February 12, 2005, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Clemens9@February 12, 2005, 10:01 PM
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Just don't get mad when you get spanked at the stoplights by the '05 GT's! :P
Just don't get mad when you get spanked at the stoplights by the '05 GT's! :P
Yeah, they are pretty close power/speed wise stock for stock, but the GT would edge it out. I think the extra luxury would make me feel fine with it though
Actually it's not that close, the 350Z is faster than the G35, and the Mustang beats out the Z. I think I read that the G35 does 0-60 around 6 seconds.
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Not saying that it did, just replying to the post, and thats .9 seconds on the 0-60.
2/12/05, 09:49 PM
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I don't understand why everyone here sleeps on the G35. The manual coupe has something like 290hp and six gears. Granted, it SHOULD be slower than the Mustang by a few tenths, but it really is a car meant to perform. The auto sedan can be classified as a "commuter car," but the coupe with a manual transmission isn't too far away performance-wise from the Mustang.
2/12/05, 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by MustangDan+February 12, 2005, 10:49 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MustangDan @ February 12, 2005, 10:49 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-KansasCityTim@February 12, 2005, 7:02 PM
Wow....people were a lot nicer to me about the vette.
Wow....people were a lot nicer to me about the vette.
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Ignorant words from an ignorant man
I guess no one should have bought the Mustang when it first came out because it had no history behind it.
I guess the G35 coupe winning car of the year and the other awards it has won are meaningless
2/12/05, 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by holderca1@February 12, 2005, 10:52 PM
Not saying that it did, just replying to the post, and thats .9 seconds on the 0-60.
Not saying that it did, just replying to the post, and thats .9 seconds on the 0-60.
2/12/05, 09:56 PM
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Well.. it seems as if you've made up your mind already.. so we all appear to be talking just for the sake of conversation at this point.
To address the topic at hand:
The G35 is a really nice car.. heck.. so is the New Lexus GS and some of the new Acuras but the G35 is no mustang or vette.. no American Muscle and No Heritage. Other than the car itself.. one of the best things about owning a 'Stang is being a part of the Mustang community. :headbang:
To address the topic at hand:
The G35 is a really nice car.. heck.. so is the New Lexus GS and some of the new Acuras but the G35 is no mustang or vette.. no American Muscle and No Heritage. Other than the car itself.. one of the best things about owning a 'Stang is being a part of the Mustang community. :headbang:
2/12/05, 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Clemens9+February 12, 2005, 10:58 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Clemens9 @ February 12, 2005, 10:58 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-holderca1@February 12, 2005, 10:52 PM
Not saying that it did, just replying to the post, and thats .9 seconds on the 0-60.
Not saying that it did, just replying to the post, and thats .9 seconds on the 0-60.
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Why are you arguing something that's not important to you, lol.
2/12/05, 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by holderca1@February 12, 2005, 11:01 PM
Why are you arguing something that's not important to you, lol.
Why are you arguing something that's not important to you, lol.
2/12/05, 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by Clemens9+February 12, 2005, 10:56 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Clemens9 @ February 12, 2005, 10:56 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>
The Vette and the Mustang are American Classics; the G35 is nothing, but a sad ticket to the world of would of, could of, should of club, or maybe it just nothing.
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The Vette and the Mustang are American Classics; the G35 is nothing, but a sad ticket to the world of would of, could of, should of club, or maybe it just nothing.
I guess no one should have bought the Mustang when it first came out because it had no history behind it.
I guess the G35 coupe winning car of the year and the other awards it has won are meaningless
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Bad form in the forum clemens9, personal attacks? This is about cars you can do better, can’t you? I guess I can do better than my caustic remarks about the G35, yep mom was right if you can’t say something nice don’t say it. Sorry if I offended anyone.
2/13/05, 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by Clemens9+February 12, 2005, 6:17 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Clemens9 @ February 12, 2005, 6:17 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-jsaylor@February 12, 2005, 6:05 PM
I have had several folks argue this point with me before, but I worked for a dealer that sold Infinti's and while they are well constructed cars that are very well appointed I just have seen nothing to indicate that long-term quality is superior. There is no doubt that the G35 offers a dealer experience Ford cannot match...hands down you are going to have lips fastened to your posterior every time you walk into an Infinti dealer.
I have had several folks argue this point with me before, but I worked for a dealer that sold Infinti's and while they are well constructed cars that are very well appointed I just have seen nothing to indicate that long-term quality is superior. There is no doubt that the G35 offers a dealer experience Ford cannot match...hands down you are going to have lips fastened to your posterior every time you walk into an Infinti dealer.
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Actually, I think a manufacturer will warrant their car for as little time as they feel they can get away with and still be competitive.
2/13/05, 01:49 AM
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Actually I think people are being hard on Clemens is because he is giving up on the Mustang because of a shady dealer, rather than giving up on the dealer.
Clemens is just putting the G35 in a pedestal (and in a way putting down the Stang) and they may be a no-no in a Mustang forum.
Clemens is just putting the G35 in a pedestal (and in a way putting down the Stang) and they may be a no-no in a Mustang forum.
2/13/05, 06:34 AM
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Well in a short bit of time I'll be driving a 97 Ford Escort. I've mentioned here and haven't noticed any kind of backlash. Rest assured I'll be behind the wheels of another Mustang soon as possible.
2/13/05, 07:32 AM
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Clemens9,
I don't blame you for losing faith in Ford. As a dealer, we represent the factory. When a dealer misrepresents something or mistreats a customer it reflects negatively on Ford. Alot of us say "it's not Fords fault it's the dealers" or vice versa, well the dealers are Ford. We are the only contact the public has with Ford corporate so in turn we represent corporate. The allocation/order system is flawed but this is a product of a dealer intentionally, for whatever reason, lowering a priority.
When you buy a car, any car, you are buying a total experience. You're buying the physical product, the dealer relationship, the "aura" so to speak and everything else that goes with owning the car. Everyone has given you their feelings on one product versus the other but if you feel the overall Infiniti experience will be better, go for it. The other option is to find a better Ford dealer and see what comes of that.
It's a shame what this business has become and if you've lost faith in Ford or its dealers, I can't blame you for thinking of going elsewhere. Hopefully you can just find a decent dealer and get a car in a reasonable amount of time. Either way, have fun with it, after all that is what they are for in the first place.
I don't blame you for losing faith in Ford. As a dealer, we represent the factory. When a dealer misrepresents something or mistreats a customer it reflects negatively on Ford. Alot of us say "it's not Fords fault it's the dealers" or vice versa, well the dealers are Ford. We are the only contact the public has with Ford corporate so in turn we represent corporate. The allocation/order system is flawed but this is a product of a dealer intentionally, for whatever reason, lowering a priority.
When you buy a car, any car, you are buying a total experience. You're buying the physical product, the dealer relationship, the "aura" so to speak and everything else that goes with owning the car. Everyone has given you their feelings on one product versus the other but if you feel the overall Infiniti experience will be better, go for it. The other option is to find a better Ford dealer and see what comes of that.
It's a shame what this business has become and if you've lost faith in Ford or its dealers, I can't blame you for thinking of going elsewhere. Hopefully you can just find a decent dealer and get a car in a reasonable amount of time. Either way, have fun with it, after all that is what they are for in the first place.
2/13/05, 07:32 AM
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If you have the cabbage you should have no trouble obtaining a Mustang GT in short order. As mentioned by others take a little trip if necessary.
As concerns the G-35 debate; I've been a fan of Nissan/Infiniti going way back to my years spent in Japan driving a Skyline GT. Always felt that Nissans had great mechanicals, good styling[from time to time] but kind of spotty interiors. That holds true to this day. The 350Z and the G-35 are not the most durable cars interior wise. Take a look at used ones, you'll see what I mean. Low rent interiors aside the Z and G are an absolute blast to drive. Fantastic machines.
That said however I am still firmly in the Mustang GT camp. Dollar for dollar, pound for pound its the best thing going in a performance coupe. Personally I'm willing to wait a bit until things calm down. Although Ford makes it hard in not offering sonic blue after '05.
As concerns the G-35 debate; I've been a fan of Nissan/Infiniti going way back to my years spent in Japan driving a Skyline GT. Always felt that Nissans had great mechanicals, good styling[from time to time] but kind of spotty interiors. That holds true to this day. The 350Z and the G-35 are not the most durable cars interior wise. Take a look at used ones, you'll see what I mean. Low rent interiors aside the Z and G are an absolute blast to drive. Fantastic machines.
That said however I am still firmly in the Mustang GT camp. Dollar for dollar, pound for pound its the best thing going in a performance coupe. Personally I'm willing to wait a bit until things calm down. Although Ford makes it hard in not offering sonic blue after '05.
2/13/05, 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by Dark Horse@February 12, 2005, 5:45 PM
I don't know that it is as much an allocation problem as it is dealers not being up front with those ordering.
Why are some dealers taking orders for cars they have no idea when they will be built/delivered, if at all?
It's rediculous when a dealer knows they're alloted 2 or three GT's but takes orders for 6,7,8....... Then as the weeks add up, and they're already behind, they're still taking orders.
They should tell the person ordering the situation and advise them to go to a dealer with adequate allotment.
If they worked out something with a dealer who has the allotment, you'd think they might get some buisness from that dealer in return.
I don't know that it is as much an allocation problem as it is dealers not being up front with those ordering.
Why are some dealers taking orders for cars they have no idea when they will be built/delivered, if at all?
It's rediculous when a dealer knows they're alloted 2 or three GT's but takes orders for 6,7,8....... Then as the weeks add up, and they're already behind, they're still taking orders.
They should tell the person ordering the situation and advise them to go to a dealer with adequate allotment.
If they worked out something with a dealer who has the allotment, you'd think they might get some buisness from that dealer in return.
I earn allocation by selling cars. The more I sell the more I will earn. Our allocation will continue to get bigger each cycle and eventually I will be earning so many I will have to turn them down. This probably won't happen until next year but the hype will die down and the time will come that we will earn more than we need.
2/13/05, 10:25 AM
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Karpro,
First, thanks for all the help and info you've offered to me and everyone else on this site.
You are a perfect example of a dealer being totally up front and allowing the customer to decide.
Maybe I didn't state it clear enough in my other post, but it's the dealers who are misleading people that I was referring to.
I still think it wrong for a dealer to take an order he knows won't be "filled" antime soon because of their allocation, and not honest about it with the buyer.
I'd guess that many who are ordering aren't aware of "allotments" at all. They probably think when they order a car, it is ordered at that moment.
I'd bet most have no idea that it may be a week, 2 weeks, or longer before that order may have been given to Ford.
I realize that this usually isn't much of a problem, that dealers have enough alloment to fill any order, but in the case of the '05 Mustang because of demand, IUP, manual trans............ issuses it has created a situation that does normally happen.
I'm just saying dealers should tell the customer and let them make the decision, just as you do.
First, thanks for all the help and info you've offered to me and everyone else on this site.
You are a perfect example of a dealer being totally up front and allowing the customer to decide.
Maybe I didn't state it clear enough in my other post, but it's the dealers who are misleading people that I was referring to.
I still think it wrong for a dealer to take an order he knows won't be "filled" antime soon because of their allocation, and not honest about it with the buyer.
I'd guess that many who are ordering aren't aware of "allotments" at all. They probably think when they order a car, it is ordered at that moment.
I'd bet most have no idea that it may be a week, 2 weeks, or longer before that order may have been given to Ford.
I realize that this usually isn't much of a problem, that dealers have enough alloment to fill any order, but in the case of the '05 Mustang because of demand, IUP, manual trans............ issuses it has created a situation that does normally happen.
I'm just saying dealers should tell the customer and let them make the decision, just as you do.
2/13/05, 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by Clemens9+February 12, 2005, 4:49 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Clemens9 @ February 12, 2005, 4:49 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-RaGsHoCkEy88@February 12, 2005, 3:44 PM
ur making a big mistake with the g35....there as common as civics. if u waited u can wait alittle longer....take ur business elsewhere at least. ur gonna regret ur decision
ur making a big mistake with the g35....there as common as civics. if u waited u can wait alittle longer....take ur business elsewhere at least. ur gonna regret ur decision
Haha. They only sell about 30,000 G35 coupes every year in the US, compared to about 100,000 Mustangs. Go test drive one and tell me that it isn't a better all around car (Quality, styling, interior comfort) than the Mustang.
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well ive tested numerous g35's......considering i do work with cars and it isnt better all around. the transmission is a delayed response. the interior is plain. the g35 interior is nothing compared to the new mustangs. the mustangs styling is a kind that says BUY ME NOW. the g35 coupe is too big and the back is the ugliest thing ive ever seen in the world. comfort, yea the seats r stiff. ok its cool that they have both power front seats but overall i dont like it. for the price that this car is maybe they should give a few more options.
2/13/05, 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Clemens9+February 12, 2005, 4:49 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Clemens9 @ February 12, 2005, 4:49 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-RaGsHoCkEy88@February 12, 2005, 3:44 PM
ur making a big mistake with the g35....there as common as civics. if u waited u can wait alittle longer....take ur business elsewhere at least. ur gonna regret ur decision
ur making a big mistake with the g35....there as common as civics. if u waited u can wait alittle longer....take ur business elsewhere at least. ur gonna regret ur decision
Haha. They only sell about 30,000 G35 coupes every year in the US, compared to about 100,000 Mustangs. Go test drive one and tell me that it isn't a better all around car (Quality, styling, interior comfort) than the Mustang.
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Not to flame you or anyting i just have to ask, if you think that the G35 is an all around better car, why were you even wanting the mustang in the 1st place? besides price i don't understand why you wouldn't have just went straight for the G35 right from the start.
:scratch:BUT if you are going to go with a car other than a mustang the G35 is a VERY nice car to go with, i even considered those before i saw pictures of the 05 stangs