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Old 9/7/05, 06:19 AM
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Yes, but if you'll read the post by Tiberius1701 he explained how you can not only probram the remote portion of the key, but also, the chip inside. It's in the owner's manual and it will be done to same it would if you bought a knew "regualr" key.
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Not looking good folks...
Quoted from the 2006 Fusion workshop manual...

"The vehicle is equipped with 2 integrated keys. The integrated keys operate as a standard PATS key with a remote keyless entry (RKE) transmitter incorporated into the keyhead. The integrated keys require batteries for the RKE transmitter to operate. A maximum of 4 integrated keys can be programmed to operate the vehicle. If more than 4 integrated keys are programmed, the RKE portion of the additional keys do not operate and the smart junction box (SJB) sets a memory full diagnostic trouble code (DTC). These additional keys start the vehicle, but do not operate the RKE system. For the purposes of this section the PATS portion of the integrated key is referred to as a PATS key."

It appears that the PATS (Passive Anti Theft System) and RKE (Remote Keyless Entry) are programmed at the same time when programming a key. This appears not to be compatible with the way the Mustang systems operate. We will have to see when either a vehicle with this option or keys are available to attempt a reprogramming procedure.

I will repost when this info is available.
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Originally posted by 06GT&05MCS@September 7, 2005, 6:09 AM
what about anti-theft technology... isn't there a microchip in the key that must be programmed to allow the engine to start? I don't think this is the same encoding as the remote transmitter, and the key shop can't do it I dont think....
I think it's the other way around. The key can't be programmed. The computer in the car is programmed to accept the new key. It's easy to do using the instructions in the owners manual. The question is whether Ford used the same technology in the Fusion and Mustang.
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ok missed that
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Keep us in the know, Tiberius.

I may be going to KC for A LOT of Christmas goodies this year (...tips...keys...pony center caps....)
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Originally posted by rfbandit@September 6, 2005, 5:54 PM
Ford part number for the key is: 6E5Z-15K601-A
I checked This Part Number and it has Been Cancelled. Too Bad it was a Lot Cheaper. They Have to Be Ordered by a Dealer Through Rotunda Keys.

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Originally posted by Tiberius1701@September 7, 2005, 6:24 AM
Not looking good folks...
Quoted from the 2006 Fusion workshop manual...

"The vehicle is equipped with 2 integrated keys. The integrated keys operate as a standard PATS key with a remote keyless entry (RKE) transmitter incorporated into the keyhead. The integrated keys require batteries for the RKE transmitter to operate. A maximum of 4 integrated keys can be programmed to operate the vehicle. If more than 4 integrated keys are programmed, the RKE portion of the additional keys do not operate and the smart junction box (SJB) sets a memory full diagnostic trouble code (DTC). These additional keys start the vehicle, but do not operate the RKE system. For the purposes of this section the PATS portion of the integrated key is referred to as a PATS key."

It appears that the PATS (Passive Anti Theft System) and RKE (Remote Keyless Entry) are programmed at the same time when programming a key. This appears not to be compatible with the way the Mustang systems operate. We will have to see when either a vehicle with this option or keys are available to attempt a reprogramming procedure.

I will repost when this info is available.
Actually I think from reading that it means that they actually are 2 separate components, and you cannot program more than 4 keys to open the doors by remote. But you can program as many as you want to start the car.
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Originally posted by friedmaster@September 7, 2005, 4:57 PM
Actually I think from reading that it means that they actually are 2 separate components, and you cannot program more than 4 keys to open the doors by remote. But you can program as many as you want to start the car.
I agree. Here's the key line:

These additional keys start the vehicle, but do not operate the RKE system.
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I am in for two too.
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Hopefully we'll hear some good news on the integrated key... it makes much more of a difference than I thought it would.

I picked up a new Durango last night, and it has the keyless entry integrated into the key as well. It's so much more convenient, a lot less bulky, and you don't have the keyless entry remote clanging against the steering wheel, the dash, or your leg while driving.

Come on Ford... make it work please :worship:
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If it Does work I will Need a whole lot More than Ten Keys!

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Originally posted by 05stangkc@September 7, 2005, 9:35 PM
If it Does work I will Need a whole lot More than Ten Keys!

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Kevin...looks like you might want to put a pre-order in for 100 at this rate

That should cover you the first week
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He's not kidding. I'll take two as well. I hope it works. If not there is almost enough demand for company to make an aftermarket retrofit or something.

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It kinds of makes you wonder why they didn't do this in the first place....It would save them on keyrings..
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gosh.. my MINI key is all-in-one remote, and it recharges its battery when it's in the ignition... it really is a lot more intuitive than the fob for my Thunderbird, how many times did I hit the panic button by mistake -?
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Originally posted by TomServo92@September 7, 2005, 7:06 PM
I agree. Here's the key line:
This may be the case but..
All previous RKE's are programmed separately from the PATS key, the instructions for the integral key in the Fusion/Milan imply that both functions are programmed at the same time. On the other hand, this may not be. We will have to see when keys are available.

The workshop manual may actually be wrong!
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Originally posted by Tiberius1701@September 8, 2005, 8:33 AM
This may be the case but..
All previous RKE's are programmed separately from the PATS key, the instructions for the integral key in the Fusion/Milan imply that both functions are programmed at the same time. On the other hand, this may not be. We will have to see when keys are available.

The workshop manual may actually be wrong!
That's not the way I read it. It says more than 4 keys can be programmed but only 4 can be used for RKE. The others only start the car. IMO, that clearly states more than 4 keys can be programmed. But, I could be wrong. Like you said, we'll have to see....
Old 9/8/05, 08:17 AM
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Went to the Fusion Owner Guide (FOG )and found this.



"Replacement Integrated Keyless Transmitters (IKT) and coded keys

Note:
Your vehicle comes equipped with two Integrated Keyhead
Transmitters (IKTs). The IKT functions as both a programmed ignition
key that operates all the locks and starts the vehicle, as well as a remote



Locks and Security

keyless entry transmitter. A maximum of eight coded keys can be
programmed to your vehicle; only four of these eight keys can be IKTs
with remote entry functionality.

If your IKTs or standard SecuriLock
coded keys are lost or stolen and
you don’t have an extra coded key, you will need to have your vehicle
towed to an authorized dealer. The key codes need to be erased from
your vehicle and new coded keys will need to be programmed.

Replacing coded keys can be very costly. Store an extra programmed key
away from the vehicle in a safe place to help prevent any
inconveniences. Please visit an authorized dealer to purchase additional
spare or replacement keys.

Programming spare keys

You can program your own Integrated Keyhead Transmitters or standard
SecuriLock
coded keys to your vehicle. This procedure will program
both the engine immobilizer keycode and the remote entry transmitter
portion of the IKT to your vehicle. Note: A maximum of eight coded keys
can be programmed to your vehicle; only four of these eight can be IKTs
with remote entry functionality.

Tips:

Only use Integrated Keyhead Transmitters (IKTs) or standard
SecuriLock
keys.
You must have two previously programmed coded keys (keys that
already operate your vehicle’s engine) and the new unprogrammed
key(s) readily accessible.
If two previously programmed coded keys are not available, you must
take your vehicle to your authorized dealer to have the spare key(s)
programmed.
Please read and understand the
entire procedure before you begin.

1. Insert the first previously
programmed coded
key
into the
ignition.
2. Turn the ignition from the 1 (LOCK) position to the 3 (RUN) position.
Keep the ignition in the 3 (RUN) position for at least three seconds, but
no more than 10 seconds.

Locks and Security

3. Turn the ignition to the 1 (LOCK) position and remove the first coded
key
from the ignition.
4. Within ten seconds of turning the ignition to the 1 (LOCK) position,
insert the second previously coded
key
into the ignition.
5. Turn the ignition from the 1 (LOCK) position to the 3 (RUN) position.
Keep the ignition in the 3 (RUN) position for at least three seconds, but
no more than 10 seconds.
6. Turn the ignition to the 1 (LOCK) position and remove the second
previously programmed coded
key
from the ignition.
7. Within twenty seconds of turning the ignition to the 1 (LOCK)
position and removing the previously programmed coded
key,
insert the
new unprogrammed key (new key/valet key) into the ignition.
8. Turn the ignition from the 1 (LOCK) position to the 3 (RUN) position.
Keep the ignition in the 3 (RUN) position for at least six seconds.
9. Remove the newly programmed coded
key
from the ignition.
If the key has been successfully programmed it will start the vehicle’s
engine and will operate the remote entry system (if the new key is an
Integrated Keyhead Transmitter). The theft indicator light will illuminate
for three seconds and then go out to indicate successful programming.

If the key was not successfully programmed, it will not start your
vehicle’s engine and/or will not operate the remote entry features. The
theft indicator light may flash on and off. Wait 20 seconds and you may
repeat Steps 1 through 8. If failure repeats, bring your vehicle to your
authorized dealer to have the new key(s) programmed.

To program additional new unprogrammed key(s), wait twenty seconds
and then repeat this procedure from Step 1. "

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Originally posted by Tiberius1701@September 8, 2005, 10:20 AM
Went to the Fusion Owner Guide (FOG )and found this.
"Replacement Integrated Keyless Transmitters (IKT) and coded keys

Programming spare keys

You can program your own Integrated Keyhead Transmitters or the standard SecuriLock coded keys to your vehicle.

You're awesome!! :worship:

So if I'm reading this right, the Fusion system is backward compatible with the old Key/Keyfob system that our Mustangs have...which hopefully means that the new Fusion key will work with our systems.

Man I can't wait until someone tests this out!!

Thanks
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Originally posted by Rondosa@September 8, 2005, 11:17 AM
You're awesome!! :worship:

So if I'm reading this right, the Fusion system is backward compatible with the old Key/Keyfob system that our Mustangs have...which hopefully means that the new Fusion key will work with our systems.

Man I can't wait until someone tests this out!!

Thanks
The most I can say now is UNSURE. The instructions read very, how should I say this...confusing!!


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