Will here picture of 07 Cobra might look like one my friends sent to me, he Said it will have a 6speed man and maybe a 6speed auto. to with Supercharger 5.4 V8 with 500hp, cost $45,000.00 to $50,.000.00. B) you see this at NY Auto show.
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Let's hope not Not exactly what I had in mind when it came to the Cobra.

 

Let's look at the facts ...
SVT Contour --- Gone
SVT Focus --- Gone
SVT Lightning --- Gone
Colletti --- Gone
Scarpello --- Gone
SVT Cobra --- Pretty convincing article in MT that says Cobra name will have Shelby attached to it. There is no way there will be a SVT Cobra AND a Shelby Cobra. SVT Cobra --- Gone
Even the magazine writers aren't quite sure what is up with SVT. My whole point is, there is not any good news coming out of SVT lately .... The FACTS are pretty tough to ignore ....
I hope I am wrong on all accounts.
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One item is missing from your little list...in a recent interview, Phil Martens stated that in the next couple of years, SVT will have more products than they've ever had before. Sorry, but I'll take that as a fact long before I'll believe half-baked conspiracy theories from you.

EDIT: one more item...it's been stated many times by Ford execs that the Lightning isn't gone...merely on hiatus while SVT concentrates on the Cobra.

 

The picture of the black Cobra is a chop.

I look forward to New York, and hope we find out more information and not smoke and mirrors with a concept car that keeps us guessing.

 

Let's look at the facts ...
SVT Contour --- Gone
SVT Focus --- Gone
SVT Lightning --- Gone
Colletti --- Gone
Scarpello --- Gone
SVT Cobra --- Pretty convincing article in MT that says Cobra name will have Shelby attached to it. There is no way there will be a SVT Cobra AND a Shelby Cobra. SVT Cobra --- Gone
Even the magazine writers aren't quite sure what is up with SVT. My whole point is, there is not any good news coming out of SVT lately .... The FACTS are pretty tough to ignore ....
I hope I am wrong on all accounts.
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What makes you think there won't be 2 Cobras. The regular Cobra at $40k and the Shelby (similar to Cobra R) at $65k. I see this working well. I think there will be 2 models between the Mustang GT and Shelby. A SE (Boss) and a Cobra.

 

Will here picture of 07 Cobra might look like one my friends sent to me, he Said it will have a 6speed man and maybe a 6speed auto. to with Supercharger 5.4 V8 with 500hp, cost $45,000.00 to $50,.000.00. B) you see this at NY Auto show.
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old photoshop. I have seen this posted a lot lately on various boards. All saying it will look similar.

 

Seems strange that the top of the line Shelby will have a live axle. Since the price will be pretty high, I would think the additional cost of developing a lightweight IRS for it would make sense. But then again, since collectors will ****** up most of them, it could have 9V battery powering them, and they will still buy them.

 

My wish is that they are not priced out of my reach and they take 05 GT trade in.

 

That just sounds too good to be true. V6, GT, Cobra, Shelby and one more model (which should be between GT and Cobra in price and power). Isn't that little too much?

If new Shelby only looks like concept Mustang - it would be a perfect car.

 

No conspiracy theories here ... just looking at the facts. What I listed is what we KNOW to be true. All the interviews in the world mean nothing until what is being quoted actually happens. In the world of business you can easily say one thing and 2 days later have your plan change completely. Manufacturing is not an exact science. You must have a balance between what your costs are and customer expectations. My top 5 company has taken a huge hit this past year on material inflation, .... steel, copper, corregated, etc .... Ford has to deal with these same cost issues. It does effect the decision making process. You have to remember that SVT is only a VERY SMALL part of Ford. It is in no way bullet proof from business decision.

As far as 2 Cobras ...why would Ford do this ?? I cannot think of any manufacturer that currently does this. It only confuses the consumer. It would cause more issues than it solves.

I hope I am wrong about SVT .... I have enjoyed their products and made quite a few new friends at their yearly track gatherings (SVTOA). Don't get me wrong, I want to be wrong about them being on the way out .... I was looking forward to adding another SVT to my stable.

Based on my own thought process, this is where I see us heading ...

V6
GT
SE #1
SE #2
Shelby Cobra

 

FYI I checked the price of a replacement FORD GT ENGINE! Are you ready $36,000.00 I Guess the shelby would retail for about oh at least 75 to 100 k! Not in my budget! The cost of a 05 GT mustang complete engine is $7k The math is not pretty.

KC

 

They have had two cobra's several times, the Cobra and Cobra R are two different Cobra cars, two different engines, makes sense to name the Cobra R a Shelby. I think the Shelby Cobra is the one that is going to be unveiled in March since I have not seen anything saying that SVT is unveiling anything.

On another note, from what I read in Motor Trend, it looks like the Ford GT will not be produced past the 2006 MY and to be replaced by the Ford Shelby GR-1 rated at 600 hp.

 

Agreed, why not have:

GR-1 as the Ford 'Supercar' (600+hp)
Shelby Mustang Cobra as the (Mustang) top dog (550hp)
SVT Cobra (400-450hp)
GT (300hp)
V6 (210hp)
You still want some more SEs? Ford can still slap "Boss" or "Mach" on a tweeked GT (325-375 hp) to round out the Mustang stable.

So much for the IRS.

 

From a production standpoint, what makes the 5.4 GT motor so expensive? If the 03-04 Cobra motors cost aprox $12,000 and has a fully forged shortblock, where is the additional expence coming from on the GT engine? From what I remember, the exoctic GT engine features are as follows:

Screw type supercharger
Different cam specs
Eight extra injectors
Different head castings
Different 5.4L block casting with dry sump oiling
Different intake casting

And even with all these different castings, they still fit within the modular format, nothing exocitic about these interchangable parts.

Can anybody tell me where the additional expense comes from?

I guess I can see the GT motor in the 07 Cobra, without it being a huge cost difference to Ford from the 03-04 Cobra engine. Say it takes an additional $5000 for Ford to put the GT engine in the Cobra, and subtract $1000 for using a solid axle rear end, then the base price for the 07 Cobra would be somewhere near $40,000. Just a guess.

 

I would imagine it is because they don't make very many of them. Simple economics actually, the more of something you produce reduces the overall cost of the item.

 

Explain to me why this doesn't look good for SVT.

1) There is a BIG difference between a Shelby Cobra and a Shelby Mustang and a SVT Cobra. The Shelby Cobra was/is a open top roadster aside from the Shelby Daytona's. The Shelby Mustang has nothing "Cobra" about it. i.e. Shelby GT350 and GT500. If this new Shelby Editon Mustang :worship: does have "Cobra" in it, then it does though I'm not sure why.

2) The SVT Cobra is a High-End mustang that was created in-house by FORD @ SVT. SVT is the successor of SVO, who did some tuning to mustangs way back in the "Regan era". SVT has had great success with the line of vehicles they have been producing, so why stop? SVT did have to take some time off for the new mustang platform, and everybody started hearing rumors that SVT is dead, blah blah blah, and after the dust had settled we heard straight from the "Horses" mouth that SVT is not dead.

3) So in conclusion, I agree with you that there will only be one "Cobra" mustang. I don't see Shelby doing a "Cobra" mustang, just SVT. Also, something that I've learned is that you shouldn't believe anything that you hear and only half of what see (or read).

If anyone else can shed some light or correct me if I'm wrong, the info is well appreciated.

 

It is a Shelby Mustang Cobra.

 

It is a Shelby Mustang Cobra.
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According to whom, MT?

 

According to whom, MT?
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That, and I can put two and two together, Motor Trend has it as the Shelby Mustang Cobra, and check out the sticky up there about the Cobra being unveiled at the NY Auto Show in March, says nothing about SVT in the article. So it makes sense that the Shelby Mustang Cobra will be unveiled in March in New York.

Edit: Got that the other way around, it says SVT is unveiling a version of the Mustang in March, but it doesn't say its going to be a Cobra.

 

That, and I can put two and two together, Motor Trend has it as the Shelby Mustang Cobra, and check out the sticky up there about the Cobra being unveiled at the NY Auto Show in March, says nothing about SVT in the article. So it makes sense that the Shelby Mustang Cobra will be unveiled in March in New York.
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I not sure which article you are referring to, but the one I read posted by Red Barron says in the very first post that...
We will see the new Cobra at the New York Auto Show this year according to Thai-Tang! This info is from thecarconnection.com:

SVT Still Kicking, Ford Says

With no cars currently on the market, there’ve been plenty of rumors working their way through the industry grapevine about the future of Ford Motor Co.’s high-performance SVT unit. But “reports of its demise have been greatly exaggerated,” the head of the brand-within-a-brand told TheCarConnection.com, lifting a turn-of-phrase from Mark Twain. “We’d hate to give up on the brand equity we’ve established over the last 10 years,” insisted Hau Thai-Tang, the new boss of SVT, who until recently led the development of the new, retro-styled Mustang. An SVT version of the Mustang will be unveiled at the upcoming New York Auto Show, said Thai-Tang, and though he wouldn’t confirm production plans, sources told TCC it’s a bit more than a year away. Several other possible SVT models are under consideration, with an emphasis on adding a more mainstream product, such as a high-performance Fusion sedan.

I'm not trying to get into a exquisite feeling release of liquid waste product contest w/ anybody, I'm just looking for answers like everyone else.

 

Thats what I said, read my post.