Originally Posted by Golfer1280

Still waiting for my ecoboost to be delivered. Been sitting on a train car for past 4 days. Last mustang was 1967 fastback anyway wonder what you guys think/know about effect of the upcoming ford tune on emissions. Would the tune cause state inspection failure? What do you think?

Originally Posted by 3point7

Ah yes, but who's mind set? Who's perception? This is the mistake that often gets made when someone says "This car is not a performance car because I personally don't consider it a performance car." What about the people that do? In my mind the V6 Mustang and now the ecoboost are indeed performance cars. They are obviously not on the same level of performance as a Mustang GT (in stock trim) just as the GT is not on the same performance level as the Corvette. Is the Mustang GT then not a performance car since it can't out perform a Corvette? It is mistake to say that because performance car A is not on the same level as performance car B that we must then say that car A is in fact not a performance car. And Jeffery is right, there is certainly no need to personally insult Stam because he picked the V6. That is just trolling. I know you didn't do that, I'm just pointing out the person that did. In the end what I'm saying is that the V6 Mustang and Ecoboost Mustang are still faster and handle better than the vast majority of the cars on the road by comparison in an age when your average vehicle on the roads has a 0 to 60 time of 8 to 9 seconds. Just because they don't run as fast as the GT does not by default make them "not performance" cars. Stam got himself a great car with a performance level that is nothing to dismiss out out hand. I don't think its cool to insult him over it or to try and convince him that somehow its not a performance car. I've driven my share of performance oriented cars over the last 25 years and the V6 and Ecoboost Mustang easily qualify.

Originally Posted by =HYPERDRIVE=

Its all relative to the time of when the car is sold also, by that comparison, I could say today's Toyota Corrola is a performance car , just because its faster then a V8 mustang from 1967. just as a stock fox body stang around 1980s with something like 225 hp was a performance car, while other normal cars were around 100-120hp. Times change old ferraris are still performance, cars even if a turbo 4 banger can take it on today. Basically we all know what market is the V6 for, rentals and cheap"money-wise" people who want A) car for point A to point B, with 2 doors and looks and B) little bet better MPG Then you have those that buys it, mods it, spends thousands of dollars on catback,tune, wheels,brakes rtc. only to get small HP increase, while they could of in the first place save their money,go for a GT and be better off. When One points out to this last sentence I wrote, they get upset and start calling people "bashers" and fall back to the first 2 points (A,B) to cover their @ss. Personally I dont care what people buy, I dont bash cars and people who buy them, but complaining for lack of performance parts on an engine that is not anymore marketed to" performance minded" people, is kind of silly. the Eco-boost is the "new black" this gen, the V6 is just a place holder for a small market that still gets enough profit for ford.

Originally Posted by Anthony k

Sometimes facts are hard to swallow.

225 hp and 3000lbs

Is WAY different than 300hp and 4500lbs

That's how. Power to weight.

The v6 like it or not, is the generic, grocery getter, 16 year old girls car. It's under powered for its weight with the current offerings, and unlike the ecoboost, there isn't going to be a large aftermarket for it. The potential isn't there.

You said it yourself. You aren't "racing around or tacking it to the track" not will any of its buyers.

The technology is there to put the ecoboost and 5.0 in the low 11's with $1500 in parts.

No performace pack from ford for the v6 either, that's ford telling buyers something. Read between the lines.

Unless ford drops the 2.3 and puts a 2.5 v6 ecoboost or the 3.5 Eco in the mustang. (I would have been waiting at the dealer to order it! )it's going to remain the lowend, nonperformance based, secretary mustang.

A cat back was 5 hp on the Dyno on my gt. A intake is worth ZERO without a tune, and it will make the car run like crap, unless it's a "no tune" intake, with the restrictor inside to kill the airflow back to stock levels, so it looks cool, but does nothing. Even then, the jlt intake on my 15 gt was worth 14hp on the Dyno. So your 300 -15% driveline loss gets you 255 + 20 . 275 maybe 280. Maybe ford will do a tuner, maybe. Will others?

And a accord with its weight and power, will give the v6 mustang a run. Even the ecoboost, but a $600 tuner and the ecoboost is giving the stock gt a butt whippen. V6 isn't anywhere to be found.

Don't be mad, you bought the car you wanted. Be happy!

You also stated "so much more to be offered" as in what? A blower that 6 people will buy? And still not touch a stock gt.

There will be no intake manifolds for that motor. One or two companies might make headers, none of the big names though. And the price will be more than that of the 5.0 stuff.

But by all means, you should stand up for v6 owners, order the roush exhaust and a intake today, haven them parts waiting for your car, when you pick up the car, offer it to vortech to make a blower kit for it, roots guys will not touch it, I promise you that, pull the heads off and have them ported, send the intake to extrude hone. Have a local shop build you a set of headers.

Or most likely, as ford intended, you will just drive it as is. No harm in that. It's a great driving car. Comfortable too. The performace car buyers are already buying parts, developing parts, making serious power and busting numbers at the track.

Merry Christmas !

Originally Posted by typesredline

Fair enough. Your argument has successfully convinced me to change my mind. I like your points.