2012-2013 BOSS 302

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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 07:25 PM
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The big question for me is should I go ahead and order the regular Boss that my dealer will sell me with a January build date or keep hunting for an LS. I'm afraid trying to find an LS will be a long wait and an unknown cost. It really boils down to lap times for me. Ford says the regular Boss is roughly 2 seconds faster than a Brembo GT but I haven't seen anything comparing to the LS. If at the end of the day the lap times between the LS and the base Boss are minimal, I want the Competition Orange/Black with Recaros and Torsen diff. I have to decide in the next couple days apparently to keep the slot in production.

Feedback appreciated.
A friend of mine that was involved with the project said the LS is 1-2 seconds faster on a track where the lap times are in the neighborhood of 1:28. The track he is refering to is pretty tight with one long straight. I kind of wonder how much of that is the tires though.

I've been asking him the same things you are asking and he told me if there was anyway possible, get the LS.

The really hard part is finding one.
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 09:52 PM
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I think I am a pretty good driver and as most of us I hold a high opinion of myself. With that said, the last time I participated in road racing my Cobra and its miserable accomplice, the track, had a different opinion. Talk about collusion!

If my attorney would have been any good he could have made a case for defamation of character. What a bum!


Tracks - got to love 'em AND hate 'em. Attorneys - got to love 'em AND hate 'em.
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 10:39 PM
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Tracks...
Some will eventually find out for themselves whether looking pretty is more fun than keeping the rubber on the pavement. I know this is a 'what if topic' and a way to shoot the bull but on the track there are no ifs and there is no bull. There is a car in front, one behind, and a track which can end one's prized dream in a flash.

I assume most of the prospective Boss owners will see track time, some will be first timers. I would urge them to first get really familiar with the car before altering its dynamics and second be as prepared as possible before putting on the helmet. No doubt I sound like a preacher but if it influences one individual then is worth it.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 07:24 AM
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Some will eventually find out for themselves whether looking pretty is more fun than keeping the rubber on the pavement. I know this is a 'what if topic' and a way to shoot the bull but on the track there are no ifs and there is no bull. There is a car in front, one behind, and a track which can end one's prized dream in a flash.

I assume most of the prospective Boss owners will see track time, some will be first timers. I would urge them to first get really familiar with the car before altering its dynamics and second be as prepared as possible before putting on the helmet. No doubt I sound like a preacher but if it influences one individual then is worth it.
Agree - it would stink to wad up one's brand new Boss 302 without really being quite prepared. I love autocrossing because of the lower costs and risks to get a basic understanding and a chance to practice. Also, my sponsorship is pretty limited now - it's just me!

Lastly, for the casual driver like me, having the time, expertise, and money to attempt suspension modifications is not feasible. Plus, I hate the thought of paying for something that was engineered using the input from a racing program and then not using that benefit.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dean#4AI
A friend of mine that was involved with the project said the LS is 1-2 seconds faster on a track where the lap times are in the neighborhood of 1:28. The track he is refering to is pretty tight with one long straight. I kind of wonder how much of that is the tires though.

I've been asking him the same things you are asking and he told me if there was anyway possible, get the LS.

The really hard part is finding one.
IF the comparison is truly stock to stock with the regular Boss on Pzeros and the LS on Corsas then I would say MOST of that difference is tires. R compound tires will make most any car a couple seconds faster than street tires on the average track. Not to mention I think most people are going to put wider track wheels on the regular Boss to at least match the LS.

That's the frustrating part. I keep hearing get the LS if possible, but I am finding it is really hard......

You can get one but how much more are you going to end up paying and WHEN will you get it? Right now my deal on a regular Boss with the Recaros/Torsen at MSRP is $10k less than the best I've been able to find on an LS and that doesn't include shipping the car to SD. I would have the regular Boss by mid-March based on their production slot. For maybe one second lap time difference it's not worth it. The problem is I can't get any firm answers on what that true performance difference is.

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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cloud9
Not to mention I think most people are going to put wider track wheels on the regular Boss to at least match the LS.
For a mainly street-driven, occasionally high-performance driving event car, I would not change the wheels. If I was more serious about racing it, yes.

Originally Posted by cloud9
You can get one but how much more are you going to end up paying and WHEN will you get it? Right now my deal on a regular Boss with the Recaros/Torsen at MSRP is $10k less than the best I've been able to find on an LS and that doesn't include shipping the car to SD. I would have the regular Boss by mid-March based on their production slot. For maybe one second lap time difference it's not worth it. The problem is I can't get any firm answers on what that true performance difference is.
$10,000 buys a lot of sticky tires!
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 08:12 AM
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For a mainly street-driven, occasionally high-performance driving event car, I would not change the wheels. If I was more serious about racing it, yes.
Most of us that street drive and track our cars have at least one extra set of track wheels/tires. I agree I would not change the stock wheels for the street. The stock wheels look sweet in black on the Comp Orange/Black car.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cloud9
Most of us that street drive and track our cars have at least one extra set of track wheels/tires.
Understood - I have a separate set for autocrossing my Mach with race tires. The extra width would definitely be a benefit.

Originally Posted by cloud9
I agree I would not change the stock wheels for the street. The stock wheels look sweet in black on the Comp Orange/Black car.
Indeed it does!
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 09:35 AM
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... Plus, I hate the thought of paying for something that was engineered using the input from a racing program and then not using that benefit.
I bet the Ford spies love us.


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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by cloud9
IF the comparison is truly stock to stock with the regular Boss on Pzeros and the LS on Corsas then I would say MOST of that difference is tires. R compound tires will make most any car a couple seconds faster than street tires on the average track.
I tracked a car with the Pzeros and they are no slouch. I have no experience on the Corsas so I have no idea what the difference would be. You are right, tires can easily make a 1-2 second difference on some tracks.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cloud9
Most of us that street drive and track our cars have at least one extra set of track wheels/tires. I agree I would not change the stock wheels for the street. The stock wheels look sweet in black on the Comp Orange/Black car.
Agreed. I have an extra set of wheels and track tires already for my current Stang's track days.

Street tires just can't compare at the track.
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Old Jan 2, 2011 | 08:13 PM
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The Recaros look great and probably provide needed support but I'm willing to bet they are still as heavy as the stock seats. A couple of racing shells would be a nice weight reduction. A carbon fiber driveshaft, aluminum flywheel and 2-pc rotors would drop rotational mass.
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