2012-2013 BOSS 302

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Old Aug 20, 2010 | 05:03 PM
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What's left for modding?

It seems like this Boss engine is pretty maxed out in terms of what we will be able to do with it.

The only performance items I can think of to add are the following:

1. Re-tune on the engine.
2. Full exhaust although I want to hear one in person.
3. F/I
4. U/D pullies.

Looks like we already get CNC'd heads, high-lift cams, 302R intake, fully forged internals. From ehat everyone has been posting an intake is not worth the extra cash.

Any body else have any ideas?
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:52 AM
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5. weight reduction

and if by intake you mean the intake inlet piping then I would say we don't know yet. Good enough for the GT vs. the Boss engine could be very different.

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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Evil
5. weight reduction

and if by intake you mean the intake inlet piping then I would say we don't know yet. Good enough for the GT vs. the Boss engine could be very different.
I would expect that for the BOSS application the added flow requirement could possibly warrant purchasing the part. With the base 5.0, Stinger got a 3% increase in HP from the intake.

Also:
maybe the front pads and a change of brake fluid.
rear cross brace and possible seat back replacement with one from a convertible (which might be adaptable to fit over the bracing)
gauges - the base Boss likely won't have any, the pod from the LS should be an option
data acquisition system, preferably integrated with the CANBUS and interfaced through an OEM nav screen (I'm dreaming here)

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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 10:08 AM
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There is not going to be a whole lot to mod. One reason I'm so excited about the car is that the LS could be a 11 sec car bone stock in cool weather seeing how it has sticky tires, higher rev limit, and 30 HP over a stock GT. Gt owners are adding a 30HP tune and sticky tires and seeing low 12's in this hot weather with cars that aren't even broke in yet. At most, it will just take a tune to get them in the 11's. I'm think the regular boss with sticky tires could do the same. I'm stoked about a 11 sec car with warranty and dosen't even need any mods. I'm not sure what the latest Vipers and top end Vetts are running now days, but there are few cars that can run mid 11's are faster. Now consider that most cars that do run in the 11's are standards then driver ability is going to play a big factor. A car that runs mid 11's isn't gauranteed to outrun a high 11 car every time. It's pretty much going to be a driver's race depending on who has the best reaction time and best driving skills. So, with all that said, there just isn't going to be very much on the street that can just flat out beat you every time. The boss is going to be the boss.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 10:14 AM
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A LOT is left: Long tube headers, full catless 3" exhaust, bigger throttle body, non-emissions cams, air inlet, tuning, compression, udps, more porting and bigger valves (I am sure there is more left on the table), F/I if you must, gears, etc. etc.

There is ALWAYS something left from the factory...
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 12:34 PM
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I'd be curious to see if much is left on the porting department. As it is the heads are getting 2.5 hours each of CNC porting done to them.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 09:42 PM
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So I'm guessing N/A 500hp at the flywheel with a full 3in exhaust and upgraded cams isn't out of the question?

Forgot about Weight Reduction thanks Dr. Evil.
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 01:51 PM
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You could go with some titanium rods if you got the money. Should work great now that you have forged pistons and won't have to change or worry about the rings and such. Should be good for about 40 HP.
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Old Aug 22, 2010 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by boss12
You could go with some titanium rods if you got the money. Should work great now that you have forged pistons and won't have to change or worry about the rings and such. Should be good for about 40 HP.
um, no. Maybe .40 HP....maybe.
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Old Aug 24, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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Certainly the fact that coming up with a list of mods is difficult shows just how good the new Boss really is. Sure, there are always areas we can tweak to suit our individual tastes but the one thing that excites me the most about this car is what Ford got right and how little mods will be needed to really make it perform.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Evil
um, no. Maybe .40 HP....maybe.
Why do you say that?
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SynisterGT
It seems like this Boss engine is pretty maxed out in terms of what we will be able to do with it.

The only performance items I can think of to add are the following:

1. ...
2. Full exhaust although I want to hear one in person.
3. ...
4. ...
The sound of the Leguna Seca Boss is amazing for a car straight from Ford. I would NOT touch it. That car was started at Mustang Alley a few times, and it was glorious when I heard it.

Of course, sound is subjective, but I would leave it as is.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by boss12
Why do you say that?
because knocking a little weight from the con rods is not going to result in a big power increase.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 02:23 PM
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Superblue brake fluid
DTC60 or 70 pads front and rear
Whole lotta weight reduction
Rollcage & harnesses
Fire system
AIM MXL daq system
coilovers once the factory shocks/struts are toast
K&N
Replace all glass w/ Lexan
Watts Link?
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 11:19 AM
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I would not buy a Boss for the intent to mod it. Only thing I would do to it is a dyno tune. IMO if you want a Mustang to play with buy a regular GT and mod that.
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Evil
because knocking a little weight from the con rods is not going to result in a big power increase.
Actually, there is a pretty big difference in weight. I have never installed them and did a before and after dyno so I can't speak with great authority, but I do know the faster and engine revs the more benifit you will get and the boss engine is going to rev. Also, if I put in titanium rods I would definatly up the rev limiter to 8200 like the BossR. Here is an interesting link. It says up to 30 to 60 HP on a 300 HP engine although it dosen't specify the RPM where it will be acheived.

You say this will only add.04 HP. what do you base this on? Have you used them? Did you dyno them? What rpms were you turning? Just curious. I can't see them being able to sell titanium rods for thousands of dollars for a gain of only .04 HP.
http://www.titaniumexposed.com/titan...ting-rods.html
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by boss12

You say this will only add.04 HP. what do you base this on? Have you used them? Did you dyno them? What rpms were you turning? Just curious. I can't see them being able to sell titanium rods for thousands of dollars for a gain of only .04 HP.
http://www.titaniumexposed.com/titan...ting-rods.html
I base this on all of the big cube LS engines that make the same power as a similarly modded LS7s which use titanium rods.
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by StangFreak
I would not buy a Boss for the intent to mod it. Only thing I would do to it is a dyno tune. IMO if you want a Mustang to play with buy a regular GT and mod that.
I know that this car will be very well from the factory, but the same could be said for an M3. People buy those and mod them. I just wanted to see what other performance options are out ther to futher increase the awesomeness of this car, because after all there is always something faster.

I was only interested in the performance of this car. I am well aware that changing out the suspension will result in a great increase in handling.

I just can't wait.
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Old Aug 27, 2010 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Evil
I base this on all of the big cube LS engines that make the same power as a similarly modded LS7s which use titanium rods.
So you're saying chevy is putting 2 thousand dollar rods in the LS7's just to just to get .04 HP?
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Old Aug 27, 2010 | 02:46 PM
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So you're saying chevy is putting 2 thousand dollar rods in the LS7's just to just to get .04 HP?
nope, chevy puts the rods (that don't cost them anywhere near 2k) in there because they are swinging a gigantic piston at 7000rpm.
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