I don't think it's sacrilege. I think it's a waste of money. I wish I could take back most of the money I spent modifying cars as a youth and reallocate it to track time. My cars would be a lot faster today as a result without ever having to change as much as an air filter.

 

i can understand mod regret, had a bit of that with my 05 when i didn't go blower first. once the 10 came that was the first thing i did. i plan to mod to some extent, not nearly as much as i did with my 10, but i also plan on track time when i can too with an instructor. the closest track to me is texas world speedway and its a haul of multiple hours. i was just thinking the other day that if i want to move to some more track specific tires since i have no truck or trailer i will have to drive the beast all that way on what ever dot r comps i put on the car. how do those of you that track often and don't have a truck or trailer handle tires? run stock tires, roll up on DOt r-comps, or just cram the other wheels/tires in the car lol

 

I've crammed other wheels/tires in a car before. I've also driven to the track on R Compounds (a faux pas amongst track regulars) and street tires.

To be honest, since I run HPDEs and do so non-competitively, I've switched almost exclusively to max performance summer tires. You get 90% of the grip of an NT01, Corsa, or R888 without the hassles of cost, accelerated wear, or heat cycling. The only issue is heat management on those exceptionally hot summer days. After I burn through the OEM Corsas on my Laguna Seca, I doubt I'll be ponying up the $2200 to replace them.

I understand your point of view, especially with your lack of local road courses. I'll certainly be following your quest for 500 wheel horsepower closely even if I won't be attempting to mirror your results.

 

I put a WMS (Western Motorsports) CAI on the last stang that I owned and I plan on doing the same with my boss. I find it hard to believe that by having the filter tucked down in the left corner can flow anywhere near as much air as the WMS setup that puts a huge filter right out in front of the engine and acts as a ram air. Not to mention how much cooler the air is coming straight through from the front. If you are not familiar with these intakes just look them up. I think you will like.

 

Ford claims it can up the 2011 and up stangs GTs by 60 tq at 1500 rpm with their tuner if this is accurate then its the best 4xx dollars for your money

 

That would be AWESOME! Ford who? Ford Racing? Ford Marketing? Do you have a copy of an articel? I'd be interested to know more.

 

Doesn't the Boss already come with a "more aggressive" cam? Are you suggesting an additional step up from the boss cam?

 

on a side note i noticed the cams for the 302r fit the boss heads, i wonder what that will do for power. they are cheap too, it would be like $700 for the pair of exhaust cams.

i'd liek to see the spec son teh cams that NA post up towards the top used so we can compare them to the boss cam.

 

Of course we are suggesting a more aggressive cam, remember what has been said before, that it idles very smooth, that motor is begging to get cammed. Why else would it have all that headwork and trick intake manifold. Ford just gave us a wicked platform of power.

 

In high school, I used to claim I had slept with 60 chicks, but...

 

It wasn't the best 4xx dollars for your your money?

 

Already did
People speak too soon all the time. lol

 

The gains realized on MODERN cars with a CAI (usually 10-15 hp on the new Mustangs) have nothing to do with colder air and certainly nothing to do with a ram effect. It has everything to do with removing the air inlet resonator from the intake ducting. This is a restriction added by the manufacturer to reduce intake noise. As your friend saw, most modern cars already take in air from a cool area, unlike say 20+ years ago when CAIs actually worked by bringing in cooler air.

 

They ARE the Boss cams.

 

The idle is smooth because with a quad cam the overlap can now be changed as a function of RPM and load. There's no need to have a big overlap at idle, as used to be the case when the intake and exhaust lobes were on the same cam. This is also what is making the Red Key lopey idle possible to create with just a tune.

 

PTRocks you are correct and I hadn't really thought about that, BUT, I still would like to see what a HiPo 302 would do with slightly larger cams. You know this thing is a caged lion!!

 

i guess i misread it, i thought the description was saying they had more duration than stock cams - stock i took to mean stock boss cams. perhaps it meant stock gt cams.

 

linky

 

Yep.

 

i was hoping he meant a boss had already hit 500whp NA, he probably meant the GT linked up higher in this thread though.