JScheier

I think we spoke briefly about this on Sunday. Going back to my BMW... which has (amazingly) the same saddle style tank:

1. Pump is on one side
2. Feeder line between the two saddles
3. Sending units on both sides

I haven't looked at the ford yet, but if it is a similar design, then the cheating bastige way to fix this is to add a second pump with sump where the non-pump sending unit is. Slosh is all but eliminated as the second pump won't drain fast enough for starvation to occur (in 99% of the cases).

Back to wheels: http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7806 They try a bunch of wheels on a 2011 GT /Brembo car. Believe it has the Enkie wheels and the required offset as well as some 'out of the box' trials.

CO_VaporGT_09

I was closely following the Vorshlag thread, til he dumped NASA TT (quite understandable, though, given he was trying to do both autocross and TT). Asked him about the seats and airbag issues, and he's doing what I've basically done -- ignore the airbag light.

I might pick up his CC plates soon, the J&M ones I have transmit too much clunk, and the right side is super sticky, have to bang on it with a rubber mallet to get it to move.
You going to get the AST setup from them?

JScheier

Yes. I will get ASTs and their plates... most likely towards the end of the season as my... uh, wallet... is a tad bit lighter right about now

I have run the Vorshlag plates on my M3 since Beta form (60k+ miles on them) and then never made a single noise. Largest bearings in the industry. I'll definitely be running them again on the Boss.

CO_VaporGT_09

You have to pay for them, or get a discounted rate at least, as they're your sponsor? Can you get others around you discounts (hint hint)?? They're a bit pricey.

JScheier

I don't know about discount pricing on AST's as the dealers are pretty much told what they can sell them for.... but I might be able to finagle a group buy for the camber plates.

Jza1736

Im interested in that.

Jza1736

How do you think the additional camber and plates are for the track?

CO_VaporGT_09

Would definitely be in for a group buy. These are quite the step up from the MM plates from what I understand, but also $100+ more. I think they wouldn't be identical for the 05-09 and the 2011+ models, though.

Heard of the K-Mac? about the same price.

http://www.k-mac.com/pages/newprods/mustang/mustang.htm



http://www.vorshlag.com/product_info...roducts_id=274

06GT

The 05-10 cars and 11+ cars have different spring diameters--so the mounts will be different for 11+ cars.

CO_VaporGT_09

My understanding is the spring adapter plate can be swapped out one for the other, or to a full coilover setup down the road if desired? The strut shaft diameter is a different matter though, I think.

06GT

Man the price on those K-Mac or Vorshlag plates is ridiculous

fastduo

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cloud9

Huge difference. I've driven stock (0-.95) bolts (-1.7) and now with MM plates (-2.2) and without a doubt the cc plates are the best solution. Tire temps are even and so is wear. Turn-in is night and day.

I am curious how the Vorshlag plates are better than MM? I can get more camber than I am even using and have absolutely no noise from them.

06GT

Not to mention the MM plates are only "somewhat" astronomically priced, by comparison.

Jza1736

I'm definitely in on a group buy

CO_VaporGT_09

Well, Vorshlag is just a cool name...K-Mac, sounds stoopeed, but it is Australian...

I don't know about the MM ones, but my J&M (admittedly the cheapest out there, back when I thought a 'budget' was something to follow, instead of ignore) are very sticky and difficult to move, even when fully loosened. All metal bearings, too, that tend to transmit alot of road grain and harshness.

CO_VaporGT_09

Here's Sam Strano's reply:

I can do 18x9.5 35 offset in Black. $365 each.... in fact my warehouse has them in stock.


So a bit more than the silver 18x9.5 he has advertised on his site.
www.stranoparts.com

iDrive

Don't forget, adding negative camber at the top of the strut (plates) vs. the bottom (bolts) moves your instant centers inward and your roll center lower. In general, it helps your handling.

Dave

JScheier

I can't compare the Vorshlag and MM plates as I haven't had MM plates since I sold my 1986 Street Modified mustang. I have had 3 sets of MM plates (1994 GT, 1995 GT and the 1986) and all were very well made and worked as designed with no issues.

I think the price discrepancy between MM / Vorshlag and the other brands are that MM & Vorshlag are designed by racers and race engineers for the track. They are designed to handle the abuse that track bred vehicles bear:

• Consider that a pothole strike can apply a load of 5000 lbs. Weaker bearings will be damaged. Plates designed for the track have bearings with much higher load ratings to handle this.

• Track plates will also lack rubber / urethane bushings as the added deflection negatively effects handling and geometry.

• Bump travel & Stack Height - most users will also be lowering their vehicle. For each inch of drop, you lose the same amount of suspension travel. Race plates will remedy this with reduced stack height resulting in the same (if not more) travel then when OEM.

Based on past experience, I'd be happy with MM or Vorshlag. MM was always good to me in the past with support and they have real engineers and racers on staff... just like VM.

iDrive

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but the Vorshlag plates must be removed in order to change camber/caster. MM only requires loosening the 5 nuts and relieving the strut load.

Dave