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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 07:38 AM
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Hawk DTC-30 front (~$165) and HP+ rear (~$95)
When's your next track outing with them?
Post up some comments on how they do!
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 07:57 AM
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Will do.
Local track to heat cycle the Corsas, then Miller in Utah next month.
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 08:27 AM
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For what it's worth I was told by Ford Racing that using anything other than the stock pads/rotors on the rear is a waste of money for tracking the car.
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by P0 Corsa
Meanmud, I have been looking into the pad offerings and considered your post recommendation of the Raybestos pads, along with Hawk and PFC. My selection criteria was based on the following: I have dedicated DBA rotors for track use, 4-6 track events per year and I want to drive the car to most track events which means I need cold temperature brake effectiveness.

I called and talked to all three brake pad manufacturers for their suggestions based on the above.

Raybestos ST43 front (~$258) and rear (~$195).

PFC-01 front (~$300) they do not make a rear in the -01 compound would have to go to a PFC-97 compound (~$165)

Hawk DTC-30 front (~$165) and HP+ rear (~$95)

Based on other comments about the Hawk pads, I will start with their offerings and see how they work. I certainly do not see a price advantage to using the PFC-01's as others have offered. Perhaps I am just not looking at the correct supplier. Anyway the DTC-30's have a suggested operating temprature range of 100-1200F which appears to cover both low and high temperature regimes. Hawk rep stated they would be ok for driving to the track just possibly noisy and dusty which I can accept with the purpose application.
You are going to burn up DTC30s really fast, they are made for dirt track cars (aka not much bite needed to slow the wheel). Heavy car like a Mustang would need a DTC60 at least. Not sure why the Hawk guy would recommend a 30 but proceed with caution. Friend roasted a set on his Miata in a single track day.
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 DOT 0
For what it's worth I was told by Ford Racing that using anything other than the stock pads/rotors on the rear is a waste of money for tracking the car.
I agree with you. And have noted exactly the same OE caliper and rotor on the race car pictures which show the brake assemblies. I got a very good deal on the DBA rotors and decided to have a dedicated set both front and rear for the track each with its own associated pad. Probably overkill for the rears, I agree.

06GT- I shall see how the DTC30's hold up. I gave the Hawk technical specialist all the car particulars and that was the recommendation. I would think they would know their product and its limitations. I specifically drew attention to the dirt track recommendation on their website and he said not to worry. I am not a 10/10 driver and have much to grow into the car's inate handling ability. I will keep an eye out on the rotor tempatures (paint stripes) and pad wear. Thanks for your heads up.
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 DOT 0
For what it's worth I was told by Ford Racing that using anything other than the stock pads/rotors on the rear is a waste of money for tracking the car.
I lit up a set of rear Stillen Metal Matrix pads like a Cuban cigar when I first got my GT500, so I'm leery. I'll still run my Hawk DTC-60s out back since they last a long time and at $150 shipped for a set, they don't exactly break the bank.

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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by P0 Corsa
I agree with you. And have noted exactly the same OE caliper and rotor on the race car pictures which show the brake assemblies. I got a very good deal on the DBA rotors and decided to have a dedicated set both front and rear for the track each with its own associated pad. Probably overkill for the rears, I agree.
Since you're going with a dedicated set of rotors (good call) it's not that much more for the DBA rears, so at the end of the day probably worth it if you like them better. The rear brake components are relatively cheap on our cars whether using OE or performance. It's the fronts that get spendy
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by cloud9
I lit up a set of rear Stillen Metal Matrix pads like a Cuban cigar when I first got my GT500, so I'm leery. I'll still run my Hawk DTC-60s out back since they last a long time and at $150 shipped for a set, they don't exactly break the bank.
I think the biggest savings from the FR comment is the stock rotors which are very inexpensive.
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 11:08 AM
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I did the full rotor/pad swap-out at the track in the garage after our most recent weekend, took several hours (maybe I'm really slow??), but it was done and car ready to drive on the street the next day. Made the drive home less noisy, and much less dust all over the street wheels, too. It is a pain in the butt, though. If you're doing just pads all around, the rears are the holdup, and it's only a couple extra minutes to remove the caliper and swap the discs.

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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 12:25 PM
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Do the rear calipers still require you to turn the piston in? Haven't worked on mustang brakes since I had my 95.
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 01:56 PM
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Yep. Huge PITA
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 04:05 PM
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Do the rear calipers still require you to turn the piston in? Haven't worked on mustang brakes since I had my 95.
Yes and if you don't you can get a caliper locked up. Ask me how It's actually really easy with the tool from Harbor Freight.

http://www.harborfreight.com/18-piec...kit-97143.html
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CO_VaporGT_09
I did the full rotor/pad swap-out at the track in the garage after our most recent weekend, took several hours (maybe I'm really slow??), but it was done and car ready to drive on the street the next day. Made the drive home less noisy, and much less dust all over the street wheels, too. It is a pain in the butt, though. If you're doing just pads all around, the rears are the holdup, and it's only a couple extra minutes to remove the caliper and swap the discs.
It gets better with practice I have it down to 1:45 for wheels, rotors, pads and shock settings. That's even putting some anti-seize on the inside of the hats when needed.
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 04:20 PM
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Yes and if you don't you can get a caliper locked up. Ask me how It's actually really easy with the tool from Harbor Freight.
That looks way better than the universal cube thing I have. Looks like HF will be getting more of my money
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 05:06 PM
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I think the biggest savings from the FR comment is the stock rotors which are very inexpensive.
That is good info Rick thanks. I swaped out pads and rotors for track use mainly to save the fresh originals for the street when needed. So far the Power Slot Power Alloy Cryo-Treated Rotor are holding up very well with the Hawk pads. I have a few days on them now and plan at least 2-3 days at Palm Beach and one more at Sebring before Daytona. I am guessing they will hold on until then. The price is right at $106 each, just too bad they don't have the fronts to match.

CJ carries the Power Slot Power Alloy Rotor but not the heat treated, I hope they get them in the future since tire rack charged me $80 shipping for my setup.

Anyone that will track just a day here and there the factory setup does work well with a fluid upgrade.

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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 05:11 PM
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That is good info Rick thanks. I swaped out pads and rotors for track use mainly to save the fresh originals for the street when needed. So far the Power Slot Power Alloy Cryo-Treated Rotor are holding up very well with the Hawk pads. I have a few days on them now and plan at least 2-3 days at Palm Beach and one more at Sebring before Daytona. I am guessing they will hold on until then. The price is right at $106 each, just too bad they don't have the fronts to match.

CJ carries the Power Slot Power Alloy Rotor but not the heat treated, I hope they get them in the future since tire rack charged me $80 shipping for my setup.

Anyone that will track just a day here and there the factory setup does work well with a fluid upgrade.
Here's the stock rotors.

http://www.cjponyparts.com/brake-rot...5-2010/p/BR28/
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 05:18 PM
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That is pretty cheap, I thought when I did it I had to stay with the slotted rotors since I did the front with them. Since then I was told that is not needed. Live and learn.
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 05:25 PM
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You can mix and match. This car had stock rotors on the back and two piece slotted Brembos on the front.



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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 05:32 PM
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That looks way better than the universal cube thing I have. Looks like HF will be getting more of my money
Wayyyy better than that knuckle busting cube. Just remove the top bolt from the slide pin and rotate the caliper with the lower bolt in place and you have all the leverage you need for the tool. Turns in smooth and easy.
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Old Jul 19, 2011 | 05:43 PM
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And the fronts:

http://www.speedconcepts.net/product...roducts_id=844
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