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3/20/15, 11:23 PM
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Internet forums are full of people that want to argue about stupid crap. You think this is bad? Try a Jeep JK forum. Some of the most obnoxious and argumentative people you'll ever interact with in your life.
The reality is that there is only so much you can say about a Mustang. How many times can we all declare our like of the car before that gets old? I know, lets have another thread about cold air kits and tuners. lol
We both know that the majority of Mustang owners are never going to invest multiple thousands of dollars into modifying their suspension or engine, etc etc. So how many times can a Mustang owner get on here and say "I got a great stock Mustang!"
"Awesome, have you done anything to it?"
"Nope."
Awkward silence to follow. There's just not that much to talk about with these cars when you get right down to it. We come to the forum because we all like Mustangs but idle hands are the devils workshop. You get enough guys with nothing to say on the same forum and sooner or later there's going to be an argument. In this case there's an argument about who likes the S550 and why vs who dislikes the S550 and why. Who cares. It's not worth arguing about.
The reality is that there is only so much you can say about a Mustang. How many times can we all declare our like of the car before that gets old? I know, lets have another thread about cold air kits and tuners. lol
We both know that the majority of Mustang owners are never going to invest multiple thousands of dollars into modifying their suspension or engine, etc etc. So how many times can a Mustang owner get on here and say "I got a great stock Mustang!"
"Awesome, have you done anything to it?"
"Nope."
Awkward silence to follow. There's just not that much to talk about with these cars when you get right down to it. We come to the forum because we all like Mustangs but idle hands are the devils workshop. You get enough guys with nothing to say on the same forum and sooner or later there's going to be an argument. In this case there's an argument about who likes the S550 and why vs who dislikes the S550 and why. Who cares. It's not worth arguing about.
3/20/15, 11:28 PM
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3/21/15, 01:08 AM
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(The joke of course is that there was exactly one grabber blue 2012 Boss and zero 2005 40th Anniversary Mustangs).
All this talk about model vs. calendar year doesn't really make it better to me. They should have been celebrating the anniversary from 1985, but by celebrating the 20th in 1984 was am acknowledgement of the 1964.5 release of the vehicle.
A lot of us love Mustangs because of the tradition and anniversaries are part of that tradition.
3/21/15, 08:52 AM
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3/21/15, 10:49 AM
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Well it was kind of a jerky way for me to say it, so sorry about that. Being a little OCD, it bothers me more than it should that all of the past anniversary models were celebrated on the 4th and 9th years in the decade and this one isn't.
(The joke of course is that there was exactly one grabber blue 2012 Boss and zero 2005 40th Anniversary Mustangs).
All this talk about model vs. calendar year doesn't really make it better to me. They should have been celebrating the anniversary from 1985, but by celebrating the 20th in 1984 was am acknowledgement of the 1964.5 release of the vehicle.
A lot of us love Mustangs because of the tradition and anniversaries are part of that tradition.
(The joke of course is that there was exactly one grabber blue 2012 Boss and zero 2005 40th Anniversary Mustangs).
All this talk about model vs. calendar year doesn't really make it better to me. They should have been celebrating the anniversary from 1985, but by celebrating the 20th in 1984 was am acknowledgement of the 1964.5 release of the vehicle.
A lot of us love Mustangs because of the tradition and anniversaries are part of that tradition.
3/21/15, 01:02 PM
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Well it was kind of a jerky way for me to say it, so sorry about that. Being a little OCD, it bothers me more than it should that all of the past anniversary models were celebrated on the 4th and 9th years in the decade and this one isn't.
(The joke of course is that there was exactly one grabber blue 2012 Boss and zero 2005 40th Anniversary Mustangs).
All this talk about model vs. calendar year doesn't really make it better to me. They should have been celebrating the anniversary from 1985, but by celebrating the 20th in 1984 was am acknowledgement of the 1964.5 release of the vehicle.
A lot of us love Mustangs because of the tradition and anniversaries are part of that tradition.
(The joke of course is that there was exactly one grabber blue 2012 Boss and zero 2005 40th Anniversary Mustangs).
All this talk about model vs. calendar year doesn't really make it better to me. They should have been celebrating the anniversary from 1985, but by celebrating the 20th in 1984 was am acknowledgement of the 1964.5 release of the vehicle.
A lot of us love Mustangs because of the tradition and anniversaries are part of that tradition.
What also doesn't make any sense is Ford had 25th anniversary badges on both the 1989 and 1990 Fox body Mustangs.. So which Fox body was the actual 25th anniversary edition, the 89 or 90
As far as I'm concerned, it was the 1990 IMHO 
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3/21/15, 01:09 PM
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3/22/15, 07:37 AM
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I couldn't agree with you more, as every past anniversary edition should had been celebrated on the 5th and 10th years of each decade, beginning with what should had been the 1985 model and not the 1984, as there was never a 1964.5 model to begin with but was rather an early 1965 model that was introduced on April 17th of 1964, during the 1965 model year..
What also doesn't make any sense is Ford had 25th anniversary badges on both the 1989 and 1990 Fox body Mustangs.. So which Fox body was the actual 25th anniversary edition, the 89 or 90 As far as I'm concerned, it was the 1990 IMHO
What also doesn't make any sense is Ford had 25th anniversary badges on both the 1989 and 1990 Fox body Mustangs.. So which Fox body was the actual 25th anniversary edition, the 89 or 90
As far as I'm concerned, it was the 1990 IMHO The 25th car was/is supposed to be the green/white conv., what people call the 7-up car. This car was promoted by Ford as the 25th Anniv.. Problem is, they introduced it in Dec. '88. Needless to say convs. don't sell worth a crap in the majority of the country that time of year and most dealers weren't willing to order them and pay floor plan on them until spring when they were more desirable.
Consequently Ford in another genius move put the 25th badge on all cars for '89 produced after the conv., somewhere around Feb. of '89 once they realized next to no dealers were going to order it. IIRC they had a campaign for those who cared to receive a 25th badge for cars produced without it. (they may have actually sent the badge out to all the owners of cars produced without one, it's been a while
)We ordered one, it sat until March. When Ford decided to put the badge on all remaining cars there was no point in ordering more green cars because they were no longer anything special. I can remember having conversations when we got word what the 25th was going to be and then when Ford was going to produce them in regards to order any at all or not. I also seem to recall at some point because Ford wasn't being overwhelmed with orders they said we had to order at least one when they came out.
So, there you have it, the green conv. was supposed to be THE 25th car but they all ended up being badged as 25th except pre-green conv production. If you come across an '89 that doesn't show any indication of ever having a 25th badge you'll know why. I know I've seen more than one that the badge was on all sorts of crooked probably because it was an early car and added later.
3/22/15, 12:31 PM
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Maybe I can help clear up some 25th Anniv. confusion.
The 25th car was/is supposed to be the green/white conv., what people call the 7-up car. This car was promoted by Ford as the 25th Anniv.. Problem is, they introduced it in Dec. '88. Needless to say convs. don't sell worth a crap in the majority of the country that time of year and most dealers weren't willing to order them and pay floor plan on them until spring when they were more desirable.
Consequently Ford in another genius move put the 25th badge on all cars for '89 produced after the conv., somewhere around Feb. of '89 once they realized next to no dealers were going to order it. IIRC they had a campaign for those who cared to receive a 25th badge for cars produced without it. (they may have actually sent the badge out to all the owners of cars produced without one, it's been a while)
We ordered one, it sat until March. When Ford decided to put the badge on all remaining cars there was no point in ordering more green cars because they were no longer anything special. I can remember having conversations when we got word what the 25th was going to be and then when Ford was going to produce them in regards to order any at all or not. I also seem to recall at some point because Ford wasn't being overwhelmed with orders they said we had to order at least one when they came out.
So, there you have it, the green conv. was supposed to be THE 25th car but they all ended up being badged as 25th except pre-green conv production. If you come across an '89 that doesn't show any indication of ever having a 25th badge you'll know why. I know I've seen more than one that the badge was on all sorts of crooked probably because it was an early car and added later.
The 25th car was/is supposed to be the green/white conv., what people call the 7-up car. This car was promoted by Ford as the 25th Anniv.. Problem is, they introduced it in Dec. '88. Needless to say convs. don't sell worth a crap in the majority of the country that time of year and most dealers weren't willing to order them and pay floor plan on them until spring when they were more desirable.
Consequently Ford in another genius move put the 25th badge on all cars for '89 produced after the conv., somewhere around Feb. of '89 once they realized next to no dealers were going to order it. IIRC they had a campaign for those who cared to receive a 25th badge for cars produced without it. (they may have actually sent the badge out to all the owners of cars produced without one, it's been a while
)We ordered one, it sat until March. When Ford decided to put the badge on all remaining cars there was no point in ordering more green cars because they were no longer anything special. I can remember having conversations when we got word what the 25th was going to be and then when Ford was going to produce them in regards to order any at all or not. I also seem to recall at some point because Ford wasn't being overwhelmed with orders they said we had to order at least one when they came out.
So, there you have it, the green conv. was supposed to be THE 25th car but they all ended up being badged as 25th except pre-green conv production. If you come across an '89 that doesn't show any indication of ever having a 25th badge you'll know why. I know I've seen more than one that the badge was on all sorts of crooked probably because it was an early car and added later.
I know this from personal experience, as my first Fox body Mustang was in fact a 1990 GT which included the 25th anniversary badge on the dash..
Hopefully you can also address this issue as well
3/22/15, 04:10 PM
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Yes ! Your post has definitely cleared up a lot of confusion and I thank you very much for that, however your post didn't mention anything about the reason why Ford also produced some of the 1990 models as 25th anniversary editions along with the 89 models ?
I know this from personal experience, as my first Fox body Mustang was in fact a 1990 GT which included the 25th anniversary badge on the dash..
Hopefully you can also address this issue as well
I know this from personal experience, as my first Fox body Mustang was in fact a 1990 GT which included the 25th anniversary badge on the dash..
Hopefully you can also address this issue as well
Your talking about a co. that stopped production on the Tempo, yea I know it's a Tempo, but consider this. The Tempo could be had for < $10k and at the time for that size of car it was pretty good, good enough that it was consistently in the top 5 in sales for cars in it's class including when they stopped production. The non-replacement replacement Contour never came close and ceased production after a short run.
Then through the genius that's Ford they basically did the same with the Taurus, re-badging the 500 as the Taurus which all but killed the model and then came out with a new one that has never sold near as well as the original. The original was at times #1 in sales in it's class, possibly even the last year before they re-badged the 500.
Same thing with the RWD Aerostar, top numbers in it's class, #2 to Chyrsler/Plymouth's. What's Ford decide to do, axe it and replace it with a FWD minivan in direct competition with the #1 minivan year in and year out. They ended up continuing production because of demand for 6 extra mos. and killed it anyway.
Then you have the 'Bird another Ford SNAFU.
Why did Ford come out with a conv. in Dec. for an aniv. car?
Why did Ford then make all '89's aniv. cars, probably because they felt that would fix the first screw up. I don't think it did. All that did was make the 25th not so special.
Then put 25th badges on '90's? Because they made to many badges and had to do something with them?
IIRC that's what we jokingly said at the time.As far as what this thread is about. I could say the same thing about the '15. Why do they feel the need to make the 'Stang look like their other cars. The front looks pretty much like all their other cars, the side looks like the Fusion & Taurus and from the back, although it's not a Ford, it looks like an NSX. It was one thing when the foxes came out and the dash was from a Fairmont and various other things had that Fairmont look and feel, it was better than no 'Stang. Now, it can stand on it's own and what does Ford do, make it look to much like their other cars, in and out. Oh well
it's survived worse things, like the II and going to be replaced by the Probe. I guess the best way I can describe the '15, at least it's not entirely FUBAR.Why does Ford do what they do? Because they're Ford.
3/22/15, 06:59 PM
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The only reason I have is because they're not to bright. We never understood why and I personally don't recall ever hearing a reason. To me there never was a 25th Anniv. in one sense because of how it was done and personally the only one I would even consider to be a 25th is the green conv. because that was the car that was supposed to be the 25th.
Your talking about a co. that stopped production on the Tempo, yea I know it's a Tempo, but consider this. The Tempo could be had for < $10k and at the time for that size of car it was pretty good, good enough that it was consistently in the top 5 in sales for cars in it's class including when they stopped production. The non-replacement replacement Contour never came close and ceased production after a short run.
Then through the genius that's Ford they basically did the same with the Taurus, re-badging the 500 as the Taurus which all but killed the model and then came out with a new one that has never sold near as well as the original. The original was at times #1 in sales in it's class, possibly even the last year before they re-badged the 500.
Same thing with the RWD Aerostar, top numbers in it's class, #2 to Chyrsler/Plymouth's. What's Ford decide to do, axe it and replace it with a FWD minivan in direct competition with the #1 minivan year in and year out. They ended up continuing production because of demand for 6 extra mos. and killed it anyway.
Chrysler at the time which also backfired lol.
I assume your referring to the 2002-2005 reborn T-Bird ?
I have no clue either
As far as what this thread is about. I could say the same thing about the '15. Why do they feel the need to make the 'Stang look like their other cars. The front looks pretty much like all their other cars, the side looks like the Fusion & Taurus and from the back, although it's not a Ford, it looks like an NSX. It was one thing when the foxes came out and the dash was from a Fairmont and various other things had that Fairmont look and feel, it was better than no 'Stang. Now, it can stand on it's own and what does Ford do, make it look to much like their other cars, in and out. Oh well it's survived worse things, like the II and going to be replaced by the Probe. I guess the best way I can describe the '15, at least it's not entirely FUBAR.
it's survived worse things, like the II and going to be replaced by the Probe. I guess the best way I can describe the '15, at least it's not entirely FUBAR.In fact I can remember on quite a few occasions that several co-workers at the time would yank my chain by asking when will I be getting rid of my Escort/Mustang wanna be for a real muscle car ? Well I just laughed it off as they were GM/Camaro fanboys to begin with
Couldn't agree more, as great minds sure think alike.. Here's to you
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3/22/15, 07:25 PM
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I had an '89 GT and it wasn't an anniversary model? Just saying...
3/22/15, 09:26 PM
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3/23/15, 07:05 AM
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Yes and various others after the first generation. 2 seat, 4 seat, four door, back to 2 doors. Talk about a car with an identity crisis. Some were OK, by far not great but OK, the '66 Landau, '69-70 built on the Mark chassis, '83 the beginning of the bubble look, then the TC & SC. The retro 'Bird is again OK, especially if your looking for a drop top to just take out on nice days for a drive it's far better than the Chrysler LaBaron which was a POS.
Now if Ford would have kept the basic platform, 2seat 2 door, from the 1st model and developed it over the years. Oh well.
Now if Ford would have kept the basic platform, 2seat 2 door, from the 1st model and developed it over the years. Oh well.
3/23/15, 07:14 AM
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Maybe I can help clear up some 25th Anniv. confusion.
The 25th car was/is supposed to be the green/white conv., what people call the 7-up car. This car was promoted by Ford as the 25th Anniv.. Problem is, they introduced it in Dec. '88. Needless to say convs. don't sell worth a crap in the majority of the country that time of year and most dealers weren't willing to order them and pay floor plan on them until spring when they were more desirable.
Consequently Ford in another genius move put the 25th badge on all cars for '89 produced after the conv., somewhere around Feb. of '89 once they realized next to no dealers were going to order it. IIRC they had a campaign for those who cared to receive a 25th badge for cars produced without it. (they may have actually sent the badge out to all the owners of cars produced without one, it's been a while)
We ordered one, it sat until March. When Ford decided to put the badge on all remaining cars there was no point in ordering more green cars because they were no longer anything special. I can remember having conversations when we got word what the 25th was going to be and then when Ford was going to produce them in regards to order any at all or not. I also seem to recall at some point because Ford wasn't being overwhelmed with orders they said we had to order at least one when they came out.
So, there you have it, the green conv. was supposed to be THE 25th car but they all ended up being badged as 25th except pre-green conv production. If you come across an '89 that doesn't show any indication of ever having a 25th badge you'll know why. I know I've seen more than one that the badge was on all sorts of crooked probably because it was an early car and added later.
The 25th car was/is supposed to be the green/white conv., what people call the 7-up car. This car was promoted by Ford as the 25th Anniv.. Problem is, they introduced it in Dec. '88. Needless to say convs. don't sell worth a crap in the majority of the country that time of year and most dealers weren't willing to order them and pay floor plan on them until spring when they were more desirable.
Consequently Ford in another genius move put the 25th badge on all cars for '89 produced after the conv., somewhere around Feb. of '89 once they realized next to no dealers were going to order it. IIRC they had a campaign for those who cared to receive a 25th badge for cars produced without it. (they may have actually sent the badge out to all the owners of cars produced without one, it's been a while
)We ordered one, it sat until March. When Ford decided to put the badge on all remaining cars there was no point in ordering more green cars because they were no longer anything special. I can remember having conversations when we got word what the 25th was going to be and then when Ford was going to produce them in regards to order any at all or not. I also seem to recall at some point because Ford wasn't being overwhelmed with orders they said we had to order at least one when they came out.
So, there you have it, the green conv. was supposed to be THE 25th car but they all ended up being badged as 25th except pre-green conv production. If you come across an '89 that doesn't show any indication of ever having a 25th badge you'll know why. I know I've seen more than one that the badge was on all sorts of crooked probably because it was an early car and added later.
3/23/15, 11:37 AM
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3/23/15, 11:45 AM
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Yes and various others after the first generation. 2 seat, 4 seat, four door, back to 2 doors. Talk about a car with an identity crisis. Some were OK, by far not great but OK, the '66 Landau, '69-70 built on the Mark chassis, '83 the beginning of the bubble look, then the TC & SC. The retro 'Bird is again OK, especially if your looking for a drop top to just take out on nice days for a drive it's far better than the Chrysler LaBaron which was a POS.
3/23/15, 11:46 AM
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I think the 25th anniversary was just a half-assed effort. At that time, Ford was considering killing the Mustang as a V-8, rear drive car and replacing it with what became the Ford Probe/ Mazda MX-6.
Speaking of which, I did have a 1990 Probe GT with 5 speed and 2.2 turbo. That was a fun car and fast for it's day. The 145 HP rating was way underrated.
Speaking of which, I did have a 1990 Probe GT with 5 speed and 2.2 turbo. That was a fun car and fast for it's day. The 145 HP rating was way underrated.
3/23/15, 12:13 PM
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3/23/15, 12:25 PM
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I also do remember that Ford was considering killing off the Mustang at the time and replacing it with the Probe/Mazda MX-6.. And if it had not been for the Mustang faithful who petitioned Ford's plan to kill off the Mustang in favor of the Probe ? I'm sorry to say that Ford would had succeeded but thanks to all the Mustang enthusiasts who petitioned Ford, our beloved Mustang is alive and well today and thank goodness for that lol.
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