Questions we have about the 2015 Mustang that are still unanswered
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Regarding on how bad the new Mustang gets the performance per dollar prize is kind of irrelavant as it already has this crown. Most people (not me) who shop for the M3\4 wont cross shop over to the Mustang. This is kind of Fords fault for building mediocre cars for the last decade, they have an uphill battle in changing the minds of a lot of people. I think they can do it but it will take some time.
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This is off-topic for this thread, but how does the Mustang get compared to the M3 in the first place? The M3 costs twice as much!
So how is it Ford's fault that M3 buyers wouldn't consider a Mustang? Mediocre build quality? Do Mustangs really have more problems than M3s? Going by my experience with a 2005 Mustang GT for the past 9 years, I don't see how an M3 could be better. I've had ZERO problems, and my car has never been back to the dealer. An M3 could be as good, but it couldn't beat that record.
But, if M3 owners do insist on comparing their $70K car to a $40K Mustang, they need look no further than that Motor Trend expose, where pro racer Randy Pobst drove both cars on a 1.9 mile road course, and the lap time difference between the cars was 0.1 seconds. The M3 guys don't want to know what happens when the M3 goes up against a $45K Boss.
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On pricing, I'm assuming a small increase over the current. I will assume that a well optioned GT with performance goodies will be 40-45k. 53ish for mach 1, boss or whatever mid level hp SE and 65+ for big bad boody daddy 600+ shelby/svt/gt350... These numbers are scientifically derived at as I pulled them out of my tuckus.
If you end up being right you should pick your next powerball with your tuckus.....
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I just came to a very disturbing realization. I am a single white male making close to 90k per year and I no longer believe I can justify the price of a new Mustang GT. I never would have believed that would happen in my lifetime.
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I agree if it's mid $40's I will have a hard time justifying that price. It would have to be fully loaded and closer to 500hp IMO. Mustangs have always been popular as affordable cars with acceptable performance, the ratio has always been in balance.
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It really comes down to what your house payment to hooker ratio is. Complex math indeed.
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Wow, it would seem to me that a single white male living in ohio with no kids making 90k should have no problem buying/justifying a 40k car. Then again, I don't know what your house payment is, how much you contribute to your retirement every month and I have no real knowlege of your cocaine or hooker habbit.
It really comes down to what your house payment to hooker ratio is. Complex math indeed.
It really comes down to what your house payment to hooker ratio is. Complex math indeed.
Honestly, do I have to do everybody's thinking around here.
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Perhaps I should clarify my situation. I already have a very low mileage Cobra plus four other classic Fords and a daily driver Sport Trac and no car payments. I also have two houses one of which sits on 91 acres (that one is not paid for but the other is). Bottom line: I don't need a $40k plus car that I won't drive often enough to justify the price. That doesn't mean I don't want a new Mustang but I would have to sell something else that I would rather keep.
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Nice.
Perhaps I should clarify my situation. I already have a very low mileage Cobra plus four other classic Fords and a daily driver Sport Trac and no car payments. I also have two houses one of which sits on 91 acres (that one is not paid for but the other is). Bottom line: I don't need a $40k plus car that I won't drive often enough to justify the price. That doesn't mean I don't want a new Mustang but I would have to sell something else that I would rather keep. ![Screwy](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/screwy.gif)
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This is off-topic for this thread, but how does the Mustang get compared to the M3 in the first place? The M3 costs twice as much!
So how is it Ford's fault that M3 buyers wouldn't consider a Mustang? Mediocre build quality? Do Mustangs really have more problems than M3s? Going by my experience with a 2005 Mustang GT for the past 9 years, I don't see how an M3 could be better. I've had ZERO problems, and my car has never been back to the dealer. An M3 could be as good, but it couldn't beat that record.
But, if M3 owners do insist on comparing their $70K car to a $40K Mustang, they need look no further than that Motor Trend expose, where pro racer Randy Pobst drove both cars on a 1.9 mile road course, and the lap time difference between the cars was 0.1 seconds. The M3 guys don't want to know what happens when the M3 goes up against a $45K Boss.
So how is it Ford's fault that M3 buyers wouldn't consider a Mustang? Mediocre build quality? Do Mustangs really have more problems than M3s? Going by my experience with a 2005 Mustang GT for the past 9 years, I don't see how an M3 could be better. I've had ZERO problems, and my car has never been back to the dealer. An M3 could be as good, but it couldn't beat that record.
But, if M3 owners do insist on comparing their $70K car to a $40K Mustang, they need look no further than that Motor Trend expose, where pro racer Randy Pobst drove both cars on a 1.9 mile road course, and the lap time difference between the cars was 0.1 seconds. The M3 guys don't want to know what happens when the M3 goes up against a $45K Boss.
Depends on what magazine you read.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585705
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
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Depends on what magazine you read.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585705
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585705
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It doesn't really make sense that one article would say they M3 and 5.0 GT are thisclose, while the other article says there's a sizable gap between the M3 and even the Boss. But it is there in print.
The only way I can explain it is that Motor Trend had a professional race car driver putting the cars on the track, while the British test used the magazine writers. Writers can be good drivers, no doubt, but professionals are professionals for a reason. The writer in the Motor Trend test was some 4 seconds slower per lap than the pro. When analyzing the data, the reason they came up with is that "The pro don't pucker."
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On paper anyway, it would seem there's no comparison - one car is about $40K and the other car is north of $65K. And in things such as refinement and status there is no comparison, because Ford had to cut costs somewhere to make the car $25K cheaper.
But in my mind, the Mustang should be compared to the Camaro, and maybe the Challenger - the M3 buyer is a totally different demographic. That it is compared at all to the great M3 should be praise enough for the "mainstream" Mustang.
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