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10/28/11, 11:16 PM
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I think what a lot of people in the "retro" camp forget is that most of the successful designs over the years have been successful in spte of their design cues. The II wasn't successful because it had a pony in the grille or a side scoop, it was successful because it came back more generally to what the original car was supposed to be from the 71-73 model.
The same is true for the various Foxes. They are the farthest from the original as far as syling cues go, but they were very succesful as well because they retained more than the superficial cues. They were very close to the original in terms of proportions, character and approach.
Superficial design elements have little to do with the success of the car because they have little to do with what has always made the Mustang appealing. It's not triple tail lights or a side scoop that people really want. They want an affordable fun car that looks great and has some good performance. The bigger design elements are what really makes a Mustang a Mustang such as long hood short deck proportions, RWD, V8, 2+2, available convertable etc. The little details that people tend to get obsessed with really have little to nothing to do with what has made/kept the car successful. I think a lot people tend to overlook that.
The same is true for the various Foxes. They are the farthest from the original as far as syling cues go, but they were very succesful as well because they retained more than the superficial cues. They were very close to the original in terms of proportions, character and approach.
Superficial design elements have little to do with the success of the car because they have little to do with what has always made the Mustang appealing. It's not triple tail lights or a side scoop that people really want. They want an affordable fun car that looks great and has some good performance. The bigger design elements are what really makes a Mustang a Mustang such as long hood short deck proportions, RWD, V8, 2+2, available convertable etc. The little details that people tend to get obsessed with really have little to nothing to do with what has made/kept the car successful. I think a lot people tend to overlook that.
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10/29/11, 12:35 AM
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Except the Mustang is getting it's clock cleaned by the Camaro in sales, and has been for a while now. Most people think it's a better looking car. I don't (Challenger) but most do. The S197 was a great design but it's run it's course. It's time for a change, something fresh and new.
10/29/11, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tbi0904
Except the Mustang is getting it's clock cleaned by the Camaro in sales, and has been for a while now. Most people think it's a better looking car. I don't (Challenger) but most do. The S197 was a great design but it's run it's course. It's time for a change, something fresh and new.
10/29/11, 02:47 AM
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Except the Mustang is getting it's clock cleaned by the Camaro in sales, and has been for a while now. Most people think it's a better looking car. I don't (Challenger) but most do. The S197 was a great design but it's run it's course. It's time for a change, something fresh and new.
10/29/11, 03:36 AM
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Not a kit, but a fully rebodied S197. Take a look at this thread. It's a one-off, but it's so close to what I want for the '15MY, it hurts!
https://themustangsource.com/f726/20...1968-a-493102/
Have to say, this is pretty stunning and I'd be happy with that as the '15, too. Instantly recognisable as a Mustang, but with a modern twist. Kind of like how the new Camaro is a future-retro take on their '69, so this is to our '68
(and I'm claiming the term future-retro if Ford take this route
)
https://themustangsource.com/f726/20...1968-a-493102/
Have to say, this is pretty stunning and I'd be happy with that as the '15, too. Instantly recognisable as a Mustang, but with a modern twist. Kind of like how the new Camaro is a future-retro take on their '69, so this is to our '68
(and I'm claiming the term future-retro if Ford take this route
)
10/29/11, 07:32 AM
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Just because the Camaro has sold more doesn't mean that "Most people think it's a better looking car." The Vette outsold the Ford GT, but it certainly isn't the better looking car. I don't begin to know why the Camaro outsells the Mustang, but until I see stats proving the "most people" claim, I'll not be convinced of that statement.
10/29/11, 12:46 PM
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Just because the Camaro has sold more doesn't mean that "Most people think it's a better looking car." The Vette outsold the Ford GT, but it certainly isn't the better looking car. I don't begin to know why the Camaro outsells the Mustang, but until I see stats proving the "most people" claim, I'll not be convinced of that statement.
10/29/11, 12:49 PM
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I agree. The Mustang isn't getting "its clock cleaned" by the Camaro (look at the Challenger's numbers for that) and I would say any sales advantage it has is based more, or just as much, on the fact that it's the "new kid on the block" than its looks. Even if it is selling better due to its "future retro" looks (thanks TT!), that's just another argument that "retro" can still sell. Ford just needs to evolve the Mustang, not drop "retro" altogether...
10/29/11, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Turbo
Not a kit, but a fully rebodied S197. Take a look at this thread. It's a one-off, but it's so close to what I want for the '15MY, it hurts!
https://themustangsource.com/f726/20...1968-a-493102/
Have to say, this is pretty stunning and I'd be happy with that as the '15, too. Instantly recognisable as a Mustang, but with a modern twist. Kind of like how the new Camaro is a future-retro take on their '69, so this is to our '68
(and I'm claiming the term future-retro if Ford take this route
)
10/29/11, 02:41 PM
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To the vast majority, the camaro is very good looking. I actually like it in the base model trim. The SS version is pretty ugly though. How many stock camaro's do you see compared to stock mustangs? Every mustang I see has been customized to a certain extent. = Most mustang buyers are not satisfied with the factory styling either. The challenger is beautiful. One of the best "looking" American cars produced right now. The problem with challenger sales is 1: price, 2: underpowered (slow) 3: Chrysler sucks and everyone knows it. But I would love a challenger for a DD while it's still under warranty.
10/29/11, 04:48 PM
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Well, maybe that's one thing most of us can agree on. The Challenger is a fantastic looking car. If it went on a serious diet, I think it'd likely be taken much more seriously. As it is, it's less the pony car of its forbears and more just a boulevard cruiser...
10/29/11, 10:20 PM
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Oh I'm in love with that first silver one!!!!
10/29/11, 11:46 PM
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Silver one looks great, but please do not have the gun slit windows. I do like the looks of the Camaro, but I do not like the high beltline, chopped roof effect on the side widows and windscreen. The (relatively) open green house of my GT500 is a much more pleasant driving environment.
As for the retro, non retro argument, just make the car look awesome. I personally am really glad that Ford, Chevrolet and Chrysler are all making great performing cars again.
As for the retro, non retro argument, just make the car look awesome. I personally am really glad that Ford, Chevrolet and Chrysler are all making great performing cars again.
10/30/11, 02:23 PM
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I think what a lot of people in the "retro" camp forget is that most of the successful designs over the years have been successful in spte of their design cues. The II wasn't successful because it had a pony in the grille or a side scoop, it was successful because it came back more generally to what the original car was supposed to be from the 71-73 model.
The same is true for the various Foxes. They are the farthest from the original as far as syling cues go, but they were very succesful as well because they retained more than the superficial cues. They were very close to the original in terms of proportions, character and approach.
Superficial design elements have little to do with the success of the car because they have little to do with what has always made the Mustang appealing. It's not triple tail lights or a side scoop that people really want. They want an affordable fun car that looks great and has some good performance. The bigger design elements are what really makes a Mustang a Mustang such as long hood short deck proportions, RWD, V8, 2+2, available convertable etc. The little details that people tend to get obsessed with really have little to nothing to do with what has made/kept the car successful. I think a lot people tend to overlook that.
The same is true for the various Foxes. They are the farthest from the original as far as syling cues go, but they were very succesful as well because they retained more than the superficial cues. They were very close to the original in terms of proportions, character and approach.
Superficial design elements have little to do with the success of the car because they have little to do with what has always made the Mustang appealing. It's not triple tail lights or a side scoop that people really want. They want an affordable fun car that looks great and has some good performance. The bigger design elements are what really makes a Mustang a Mustang such as long hood short deck proportions, RWD, V8, 2+2, available convertable etc. The little details that people tend to get obsessed with really have little to nothing to do with what has made/kept the car successful. I think a lot people tend to overlook that.
10/30/11, 07:40 PM
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IMHO, if Ford does some serious marketing, the Mustang will out sell anything.
And the vast majority of Mustang sales are not to enthusiasts. Very few Mustang owners can tell you what a Boss 302 is let alone the history of it. Parnelli who?
If the Camaro wasn't featured in Transformers, I doubt the young crowd would have any interest in it and the newest Camaro would be a '02. Chevy did a great job creating a buzz a year after the '05 Mustang was available
If Ford comes up with a good looking car, it will sell both domestically and abroad. It must have american styling and an "edge" to sell in both markets.
If it is a copy of something else "for the global market" another Edsel is loomnig large.
And the vast majority of Mustang sales are not to enthusiasts. Very few Mustang owners can tell you what a Boss 302 is let alone the history of it. Parnelli who?
If the Camaro wasn't featured in Transformers, I doubt the young crowd would have any interest in it and the newest Camaro would be a '02. Chevy did a great job creating a buzz a year after the '05 Mustang was available
If Ford comes up with a good looking car, it will sell both domestically and abroad. It must have american styling and an "edge" to sell in both markets.
If it is a copy of something else "for the global market" another Edsel is loomnig large.
10/30/11, 07:43 PM
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As a former Fox owner, THAT is the best looking Mustang of Fox era!!! The '85-'86 White/Black GT color combo is my all time favorite.
If I owned that car, it would still be in my garage.
If I owned that car, it would still be in my garage.
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